CA.GOV THE REPORT IS NOT UP TO $125,000. LISA: THIS STORY IS DOMINATING BOTH LOCAL AND NATIONAL HEADLINES. WHILE POLICE TRY TO FIND THE PERSON OR PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE, WE ARE WORKING TO GET A BETTER IDEA OF THE MINDSET AND THINKING OF A SERIAL KILLER. BRANDI: TO DO THAT WE’LL TURN TO DR. ROBERT SCHUG. HE’S A CRIMINOLOGY PROFESSOR AT CAL STATE LONG BEACH AND A LICENSED CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST. GOOD MORNING. YOU ARECONSIDERED A CRIMINAL MIND SCIENTIST. EXPLAIN THE CHARACTERISTICS OF A PERSON WHO WOULD BE A SERIAL KILLER. EXPLAIN TO AS THE CHARACTERISTICS. >> I SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT THIS YESTERDAY AND I PERSONALLY FEEL THERE ISN’T ONE MINDSET I THINK THERE IS A LOT AMONGST SERIAL KILLERS AT LEAST PSYCHOLOGICALLY SPEAKING. WHAT I FOUND IN TALKING TO THESE GUYS BOTH IN MY RESEARCH AND AS A FORENSIC PSYCHOLOGIST HERE IN L.A., REGARDLESS OF WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE MIND PSYCHOLOGICALLY AT THE TIME OF THE KILLINGS THERE SEEMS TO BE A LOT GOING ON IN THEIR SOCIAL ENVIRONMENT. SO THINGS LIKE JOB LOSS, RELATIONSHIP ISSUES, FINANCIAL PROBLEM WHICH MAY ADD TO OR COMPOUNDED PSYCHOLOGICAL PROBLEMS. LISA: SO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE TARGETED BY THIS PARTICULAR PERSON ARE PEOPLE, MEN WALKING ALONE AFTER DARK JUST HEARING THOSE THINGS WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU ABOUT WHO YOU THINK MAY BE RESPONSIBLE? >> SERIAL KILLERS DON’T TYPICALLY TARGET 300 POUND LINEBACKERS THEY USUALLY TARGET PEOPLE THAT ARE VULNERABLE, AND A PLACE OF VULNERABILITY SO IT COULD BE FOR VERY LEGITIMATE REASONS BUT THEY ARE VULNERABLE GIVEN THE ENVIRONMENT AND THE CONTEXT. SOME OF THEM MAY BE MARGINALIZED IN SOCIETY. SOME OF THEM MAY BE HAVING THEIR OWN PROBLEMS. I THINK IS A SERIAL KILLER IT IS BEST TO TARGET SOMEONE YOU KNOW YOU CAN KILL SO THESE PEOPLE ARE IN A PLACE WHERE HE DEFINITELY HAS THE ADVANTAGE. BRANDI:’S IN A PARTICULAR REASON IT’S JUST MEN? >> I THINK THE ALL-MALE VICTIMOLOGY IS INTERESTING. WE DON’T SEE THAT A LOT. ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE. I WOULD SPECULATE THESE ARE VICTIMS OF CONVENIENCE WHO HAPPEN TO BE OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT. I THINK IT IS SORT OF UNCLEAR AT THIS POINT IF THE TARGETING OF MEN IS SERVING ANOTHER PURPOSE OR NOT. BRANDI: THERE ARE TV SHOWS OUT LIKE CRIMINAL MINDS THAT REALLY BROUGHT THE IDEA BEHIND A SERIAL KILLER, THE MINDSET, PEOPLE WATCH THOSE SHOWS AND LAW ENFORCEMENT SAYS THEY HAVE A CHALLENGE BECAUSE PEOPLE WATCH THOSE AND THINK THEY CAN SOLVE CRIMES WITHIN AN HOUR. BUT HOW MUCH OF WHAT HAPPENED ON THOSE SHOWS MAY BE HAPPENING IN REALITY AS FAR AS THE SCIENCE OF DIGGING IN TO THE PROFILE IF YOU WILL OF WHO THIS PERSON MAY BE? >> SO CRIMINAL MINDS IS A GREAT SHOW AND THEN YOU HAVE THE PROLIFERATION OF ALL THESE OTHER GREAT SHOWS. I THINK WE NEED TO THINK OUTSIDE OF THE BOX. MUCH OF WHAT THAT SHOW IS BASED ON IS INFORMATION PROVIDED BY THE FBI STUDIES IN THE 70’S WHICH WAS GREAT WORK, BUT WAS SOMEWHAT LIMITED SCIENTIFICALLY. I THINK MORE RECENTLY WE SHOULD EXPECT TO SEE SERIAL KILLER’S THAT SORT OF BREAK THOSE TRADITIONAL MOLDS THAT WE HAVE BEEN INDOCTRINATED INTO IT HAS BECOME A MID-THOUGHT OF -- MYTHOLOGY. THIS WILL BE A WHITE MALE IN HIS EARLY 30’S WITH DADDY ISSUES. WE HAVE TO ELEVATE THE CONVERSATION AND THINK BEYOND THAT. AS I SAID, IT IS A VERY HETEROGENEOUS GROUP. LISA: DESPITE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING RIGHT NOW WHO WOULD YOU TELL INVESTIGATORS TO BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR KNOWING WHAT IS GOING ON IN STOCKTON RIGHT NOW? WHO ARE YOUR PRIME SUSPECTS? >> YOU WANT ME TO TELL YOU WHO IT IS, RIGHT? LISA: OR BE LOOKING FOR SOMEONE WHO RECENTLY LOST THEIR JOB OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS THERE ANYTHING YOU CAN TELL US? >> AS A FORENSIC PSYCHOLOGIST I HOPE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHY IT HAPPENS ONCE THEY’RE CAUGHT. THIS IS A PERSON WHO IS OUT AT NIGHT. A LOT OF US AREN’T SO COULD POSSIBLY HAVE A JOB THAT ALLOWS THEM TO DO THAT OR NOT HAVE A JOB THAT ALLOWS THEM TO DO THAT. MY UNDERSTANDING IS, AND AGAIN I GOOGLE SERIAL KILLER STOCKTON UPDATE EVERY MORNING AND JUST SORT OF SEE WHAT WE KNOW. IF HE IS WALKING UP TO PEOPLE AND SHOOTING THEM IN THE BACK, I DON’T SEE THAT AS PARTICULARLY CRIMINALLY SOPHISTICATED I SEE IT KIND OF COWARDLY TO BE HONEST. THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT SPEAK TO A TYPE OF AN INDIVIDUAL BUT I THINK AT THIS POINT WE HAVE TO REMEMBER IT COULD BE ANYBODY. I WOULD SPECULATE THAT IN THE END I WOULDN’T BE SURPRISED IF THE ONLY REPORT THAT’S REMARKABLE THING IS HOW UNREMARKABLE HE IS. BRANDI: WE HAVE ABOUT 30 SECONDS WHAT IS IT THAT THE PUBLIC CAN DO COULD TO HELP WITH THE INVESTIGATION? >> BE SAFE. IF YOU DON’T NEED TO BE OUTSIDE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT THAT’S PROBABLY A GOOD PLAN. ONE OF THE KEY CHALLENGES THIS KILLER HAS IS THE TECHNOLOGY AVAILABLE WITH SORE -- CELL PHONES, RIND DOOR CAMERAS. IT WILL BE CHALLENGING FOR HIM BUT I THINK BEING ALERT, BEING VIGILANT, STAYING SAFE, STAYING WITH LARGER GROUPS OF PEOPLE WILL DEFINITELY HELP. BRANDI: THANK YOU FOR JOINING IS THIS MORNING AND SHARING YOUR INSIGHT ON THIS AS THERE ARE MANY QUESTIONS STILL ABOUT WHERE