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New England siblings investigating Bear Brook murders learned of 'Bob Evans' name before police

Amateur investigators seen as 'invaluable' in Allenstown case

New England siblings investigating Bear Brook murders learned of 'Bob Evans' name before police

Amateur investigators seen as 'invaluable' in Allenstown case

We've spent, I won't even, I couldn't even guess, maybe 10,000 hours researching this case. It became, you know, every evening we'd work on it every weekend. We're talking on the phone constantly about it. Very important. Part of this is the interest of the community. The tips that that interest brings in are invaluable. And the efforts between the press and the public are volunteer genealogists and individuals who are simply just interested in cold case investigations. Their efforts are to be applauded Scott Maxwell. You and your sister have taken this on what kind of first started being interested in this case. It was Rhonda, she's been ***, she's worked on adoptions for the last, you know, since the early 80s helping adoptees find their find their parents her kids got *** little older and we're, you know, starting to move out of the house and she wanted to do something little bit different. And somehow she came across the new Hampshire's cold case, you know, website and saw this case and just became fascinated with it, have *** background in carpentry and you know, I never had any interest in anything like this. She read up on it, she called me and said, hey, I want to go down there, do you want to go with me? And I said, you know, I figured I'd just go along for the ride That was memorial day of 2011. She drove down from Maine picked me up, I live in Manchester and on the way out here, she, you know, filled me in, We knew *** barrel had been found by *** hunter in 1985. Um and we we knew that another one had been found in 2000 and but we didn't know much more than that at the time. There was only *** handful of articles we could find about the case and we came out here and and walked the property, you know, not knowing really where we were going or anything. We spent *** long time on looking up births in Alan's town because we figured, you know, why not start there. We tracked down every female that lived there that fit the profile for the oldest victim. And uh you know, none of them, none of them were missing, but that that's where we started and then it just grew from there. She said okay now we're gonna go knock on doors. And I was like, What do you mean knock on doors? That's that's not my thing, you know? Um she's like no we gotta go talk to people and and I'd say probably for the 1st 20 or 30 visits, I didn't say *** word. I let her do all the talking. We went to the trailer park and just started started knocking on doors. This is also 1988 um trailer park. We estimate about 400 families lived in here. What we want to do is we wanted to talk to everyone that lived there from 1977 to 1985 and we were able to pretty much do that either in person or on the phone email facebook. Um We contacted retired law enforcement because active law enforcement wasn't gonna you know they were gonna talk to us because who are we and we talked to everybody that we could that was mentioned in articles or again just everybody that we could talk to about it. We went up and down this road just knocking on every single door for probably *** mile that way and *** half *** mile this way There was 10 families that had been there since the late 70s and only one of those families had heard about the second set being found. And so right away we were like okay you know why is that Early on Rhonda flew down to Florida to visit the police chief chief Norman Connors. He was the chief here in 1985. And uh he had *** suspect that he always thought um you know that that he liked for it. And we had also looked at him pretty heavily and you know since I found out that that was that was *** rabbit hole we shouldn't have gone down. But we spent about two years researching that guy in that family. Got to know everything about him okay. You have to be *** little bit O. C. D. I think to to work on something like this because after you know after *** year or two it's it gets very frustrating when you're not finding anything new. But but whenever we did turn over anything new uh there was always more questions than than answers. And it just you know, we just kept going and kept going and it sounds almost like it was personal though explain that piece because there because they were unknown, there wasn't any victims family that was advocating for him, advocating for him. So that's what kind of what we did. And you know, we tried to draw media attention to it and you know, kind of took him on as I guess as our family, which I didn't even realize it happened until we've been on it for three or four years. We found out who the owner of the property was and went to his house and visited him. Uh he wasn't there the first time we showed up, but we've been back many times since one time we're talking to the property owner in I think it was July of 2014 after we've been talking to him for three years after him telling us he had no idea, you know, who might have done this one day. He just said, you know, I think uh I think you ought to look at bob Evans, he called him bobby bobby Evans and you know, immediately we're like well why should we look at him? And he said well because he was *** strange, he was *** strange guy and he dumped, he dumped trash on my property. And I think as soon as we got off the phone, we just, you know, we went to the library and looked up city directories and and looked everywhere for any bob robert Evans. The bob Evans name actually had popped up for the very first time. And some of the research that Rhonda Randall, the civilian researcher had done. So you did some bob Evans sleuthing. You didn't really Pan out at the time. Unfortunately, there was three Bob Evans. There were electricians that lived in Manchester. There was many weekends spent at the Manchester library and at the concord library we contacted *** Um company topographic company and conquered. I think it was to see if they had any aerial photos from, you know that time frame. And they had some from 1988. They printed us some apps. We are standing right in this area, right here, right now. The first barrel In 1985 was found in this area right in here, maybe 30 ft off this trail. The second barrel was found right in here. You could see all the trash and everything that was on the property. And then there was one area that I think they noticed first and they said this looks like *** barrel right here. And sure enough they zoomed in on it and you could clearly see it was *** barrel down in the woods maybe about 500 ft down from the road. Okay. And they said, you know, we can tell that the area around it has recently been disturbed. Of course, that really got us interested. And so we, we came back out here soon after that and using their GPS coordinates, were able to find the spot. And sure enough, you could see where it was. There was *** kind of an indent in the ground and it just looked different than the area around it. We turned that over to state police. And after several years of of not hear anything about that, we finally contacted him and said, we have permission to dig, you know, is that okay? And they said, yeah, as long long as if you find something, just give us *** call. We rented *** small excavator and dug up that area. We didn't find anything. Um, just *** lot of trash. We didn't, there wasn't *** barrel there anymore, but there was *** lot of trash in that area. We provided them with *** lot of information. And, uh, you know, obviously got nothing in return because we're just civilians and they're not gonna share anything with us. Any civilian researcher wants to help. Um, it's often *** bit of *** one way street where we take in information and try to make use of it as best we can. But there's often not *** whole lot that we can share back, certainly Rhonda and I had that discussion many times the burden that we have is beyond *** reasonable doubt in the courtroom and then the ethical standards, the safety concerns of, you know, making sure that go to someone's house to speak with someone. You know, we don't know what that person's reaction is going to be to having someone there about the case. I think what the last decade has shown is that there is *** place for that kind of work if it's done correctly. One time when she was out here, she just gathered up four rocks and, and uh, you know, for one for each of the victims. And, and uh, she said, you know, she carried around *** magic marker and she said when we learned the names, you know, we're gonna have somebody write them on them. And there was *** few years where, you know, I was pretty discouraged the first time that you heard those identities were made. How did you guys feel after that? Rhonda, I think felt pretty relieved and she kind of stopped researching it. I didn't even go to that press conference. Um, and I didn't, I didn't put it together till till months later that I kind of shut down on that. And I think it was because for so long they were kind of like our family and then all of *** sudden find out that they had names and they had people that cared about them and loved them. That was, that was hard to that was hard to accept. You know it was it was hard to release them to the family and uh I just backed off the case and stopped probably for three or four months. I didn't do anything at all on it. I need to apologize to the family because you know I said the same thing *** lot of other people said and that was how can they go missing? How come no one's missing them you know where where's their family? You know and that was upsetting for Marley's siblings to hear that you know because they were looking they were loved and they were people looking for him but there's still 1/4. There is there still and we are still working on that. No idea who the mom is or outside of the family. But I think that's going to come from you know the right person giving taking *** D. N. ***. Test and being *** close match and I think that's how they'll identify who she is.
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New England siblings investigating Bear Brook murders learned of 'Bob Evans' name before police

Amateur investigators seen as 'invaluable' in Allenstown case

Since the first Bear Brook victims were discovered in a barrel in 1985, law enforcement agencies across the country have collaborated on this case, but amateur investigators — ordinary citizens — also felt compelled to look for answers, and that work led to critical breakthroughs. “A very important part of this is the interest of the community,” senior assistant attorney general Susan Morrell said during a past news conference about updates in the case. “The tips that this interest brings in are invaluable. And the efforts between the press and the public, our volunteer genealogists and individuals who are simply just interested in cold case investigations, their efforts are to be applauded.”>> See the full documentaryToday, it’s known that Terry Rasmussen killed the victims, including three identified as his former girlfriend Marlyse Honeychurch and her daughters, Sarah McWaters and Marie Vaughn. The fourth victim, his biological daughter, has not been identified. But before recent years, details in the case were scarce.Scott Maxwell estimates that he and his sister, Ronda Randall, of Oak Hill Research, have spent 10,000 hours investigating the case.“It became every evening we'd work on it, every weekend. We were talking on the phone constantly about it,” Maxwell said.Maxwell said Ronda has been working on helping adoptees find their parents since the 1980s but took an interest in the Allenstown murders, as four victims remained unidentified for decades.>> Timeline: Terry Rasmussen case“Her kids got a little older and were starting to move out of the house, and she wanted to do something a little bit different,” Maxwell said. “Somehow she came across the New Hampshire's cold case website and saw this case and just became fascinated with it.”Maxwell has a background in carpentry and said he never really had an interest in cold cases, but when his sister introduced him to the mystery around Memorial Day of 2011, he was intrigued. “She read up on it. She called me and said, ‘Hey I want to go down there. Do you want to go with me?’ I figured I would just go along for the ride. Little did I know,” Maxwell said.Their shared knowledge of the case was limited at first, Maxwell said.“We knew a barrel had been found by a hunter in 1985. And we knew that another one had been found in 2000. But we didn't know much more than that,” Maxwell said.The pair visited Bear Brook State Park but didn’t know what direction to take at first. “At the time, there was only a handful of articles we could find about the case. We came out here and walked the property, not knowing really where we were going or anything,” Maxwell said.Soon, the siblings homed in on births in Allenstown. “We tracked down every female that had lived there that fit the profile for the oldest victim. And none of them, none of them were missing. That's where we started, and it just grew from there,” Maxwell said.After that dead-end, the pair shifted to a grassroots level of investigations – knocking on doors.“I'd say probably for the first 20 or 30 visits I didn't say a word,” Maxwell said. “I let her do all the talking.”They determined that about 400 families lived in a trailer park adjacent to Bear Brook State Park from 1977 to 1985. Maxwell said they were able to locate and communicate with members of every one of those families.They also spoke with retired members of law enforcement and anyone they saw mentioned in old newspaper articles about the case. “(We spoke to) just anybody we could talk to about it. We went up and down this road, just knocking on every single door, for probably a mile that way and half a mile this way,” Maxwell said.Maxwell said his sister flew to Florida to speak with Norman Connors, who was Allenstown police chief in 1985.“He had a suspect that he always thought that he liked for it. And we had also looked at him pretty heavily. Since have found out that that was, that was a rabbit hole we shouldn't have gone down,” Maxwell said. “But we spent about two years researching that guy and that family and got to know everything about him.”“You have to be a little bit OCD I think to work on something like this. Because after, after a year or two, it gets very frustrating when you're not finding anything new. But whenever we did turn over anything new, it was always more questions than answers. We just kept going and kept going.”Maxwell said the pair was driven to continue their investigation because the victims remained unidentified for dozens of years and the case was ice cold. “There wasn't any victims' family that was advocating for them. Advocating for them. So that's what, kind of what we did. We tried to draw media attention to it and then kind of took them on as, I guess, as our family, which I didn't even realize had happened until we'd been on it for 3 or 4 years,” Maxwell said.‘(BOB EVANS) WAS A STRANGE GUY’A few years into their investigation in July 2014, they heard a name they did not recognize: Bob Evans. “We'd been talking to (the property owner) for three years. After him telling us he had no idea who might have done this,” Maxwell said. “One day he just said, I think, I think you might want to look at Bob Evans. He called him Bob. Bobby Evans. Immediately we were like, ‘Well, why should we look at him?' And he said, ‘Well, because he was a strange. He was a strange guy, and he dumped trash on my property. I think as soon as we got off the phone we went to the library and looked up city directories and looked everywhere for any Bob, Robert Evans.”“The Bob Evans name actually had popped up for the very first time in some of the research that Ronda Randall, the civilian researcher, had done,” Lt. Michael Kokoski, of New Hampshire State Police’s cold case unit, said.Maxwell and his sister ran into another dead end, initially, with the name “Bob Evans.”“Unfortunately, there (were) three Bob Evans that were electricians that lived in Manchester,” Maxwell said.Evans was later confirmed to be Rasmussen. He also had several other aliases and lived in several parts of the country before he was convicted of a separate murder in 2002. ‘A ONE-WAY STREET’At one point during their investigation, Maxwell and Randall were scanning aerial images of Bear Brook State Park and noticed an area of disturbed dirt where a barrel, separate from the two that contained victims, sat. “There was kind of an indent in the ground and it just looked different than the area around it. And so, we were interested,” Maxwell said.The siblings passed the information over to police and after not hearing about the information for years, they notified police they had permission to dig in the area of disturbed dirt. Police gave them the go-ahead with the caveat that if they find anything, they must notify law enforcement.“We rented a small excavator and dug up that area. We didn't find anything. Just a lot of trash. There wasn't a barrel there anymore, but there was a lot of trash in that area,” Maxwell said. “We provided them with a lot of information. We obviously got nothing in return because we're just civilians and they're not going to share anything with us.”“Any civilian researcher wants to help, it's often a bit of a one-way street, where we take in information and try to make use of it as best we can. But there's often not a whole lot that we can share back. And again, certainly, Ronda and I had that discussion many times,” Kokoski said. “I think what the last decade has shown is that there is a place for that kind of work if it's done correctly,” Kokoski added.‘I NEED TO APOLOGIZE TO THE FAMILY’When three of the four Allenstown victims were identified in 2019, Randall and Maxwell initially took a break investigating.“Ronda I think felt pretty relieved and she stopped researching it. I didn't even go to that press conference. And I didn't, I didn't put it together until months later that I kind of shut down on that,” Maxwell said. “And I think it was because for so long they were kind of like our family,” he continued. “And then to all of a sudden find out that they had names, they had people that cared about them and loved them, that was hard to, that was hard to accept. It was hard to release them to the family. And I just backed off the case and stopped, probably for three or four months I didn't do anything at all on it.”Maxwell said his initial feelings about the victims’ family have morphed over time. “I need to apologize to the family, because I said the same thing a lot of other people said, and that was, ‘How can they go missing? How come no one's missing them? Where's their family?’ You know? And that was upsetting for Marlyse's siblings to hear that. Because they were looking. They were loved and there were people looking for them,” Maxwell said. Of course, there’s a fourth victim, Rasmussen’s child, who has never been identified. And the pair again picked up their investigation.“We're still working on that,” said. “I think (the mother’s identity is) going to come from the right person giving, taking a DNA test and being a close match, and I think that's how they'll identify who she is.”

Since the first Bear Brook victims were discovered in a barrel in 1985, law enforcement agencies across the country have collaborated on this case, but amateur investigators — ordinary citizens — also felt compelled to look for answers, and that work led to critical breakthroughs.

“A very important part of this is the interest of the community,” senior assistant attorney general Susan Morrell said during a past news conference about updates in the case. “The tips that this interest brings in are invaluable. And the efforts between the press and the public, our volunteer genealogists and individuals who are simply just interested in cold case investigations, their efforts are to be applauded.”

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>> See the full documentary

Today, it’s known that Terry Rasmussen killed the victims, including three identified as his former girlfriend Marlyse Honeychurch and her daughters, Sarah McWaters and Marie Vaughn. The fourth victim, his biological daughter, has not been identified. But before recent years, details in the case were scarce.

Scott Maxwell estimates that he and his sister, Ronda Randall, of Oak Hill Research, have spent 10,000 hours investigating the case.

“It became every evening we'd work on it, every weekend. We were talking on the phone constantly about it,” Maxwell said.

Maxwell said Ronda has been working on helping adoptees find their parents since the 1980s but took an interest in the Allenstown murders, as four victims remained unidentified for decades.

>> Timeline: Terry Rasmussen case

“Her kids got a little older and were starting to move out of the house, and she wanted to do something a little bit different,” Maxwell said. “Somehow she came across the New Hampshire's cold case website and saw this case and just became fascinated with it.”

Maxwell has a background in carpentry and said he never really had an interest in cold cases, but when his sister introduced him to the mystery around Memorial Day of 2011, he was intrigued.

“She read up on it. She called me and said, ‘Hey I want to go down there. Do you want to go with me?’ I figured I would just go along for the ride. Little did I know,” Maxwell said.

Their shared knowledge of the case was limited at first, Maxwell said.

“We knew a barrel had been found by a hunter in 1985. And we knew that another one had been found in 2000. But we didn't know much more than that,” Maxwell said.

The pair visited Bear Brook State Park but didn’t know what direction to take at first.

searchers in Allenstown
Scott Maxwell

“At the time, there was only a handful of articles we could find about the case. We came out here and walked the property, not knowing really where we were going or anything,” Maxwell said.

Soon, the siblings homed in on births in Allenstown.

“We tracked down every female that had lived there that fit the profile for the oldest victim. And none of them, none of them were missing. That's where we started, and it just grew from there,” Maxwell said.

After that dead-end, the pair shifted to a grassroots level of investigations – knocking on doors.

“I'd say probably for the first 20 or 30 visits I didn't say a word,” Maxwell said. “I let her do all the talking.”

They determined that about 400 families lived in a trailer park adjacent to Bear Brook State Park from 1977 to 1985. Maxwell said they were able to locate and communicate with members of every one of those families.

They also spoke with retired members of law enforcement and anyone they saw mentioned in old newspaper articles about the case.

“(We spoke to) just anybody we could talk to about it. We went up and down this road, just knocking on every single door, for probably a mile that way and half a mile this way,” Maxwell said.

Maxwell said his sister flew to Florida to speak with Norman Connors, who was Allenstown police chief in 1985.

“He had a suspect that he always thought that he liked for it. And we had also looked at him pretty heavily. Since have found out that that was, that was a rabbit hole we shouldn't have gone down,” Maxwell said. “But we spent about two years researching that guy and that family and got to know everything about him.”

“You have to be a little bit OCD I think to work on something like this. Because after, after a year or two, it gets very frustrating when you're not finding anything new. But whenever we did turn over anything new, it was always more questions than answers. We just kept going and kept going.”

Maxwell said the pair was driven to continue their investigation because the victims remained unidentified for dozens of years and the case was ice cold.

“There wasn't any victims' family that was advocating for them. Advocating for them. So that's what, kind of what we did. We tried to draw media attention to it and then kind of took them on as, I guess, as our family, which I didn't even realize had happened until we'd been on it for 3 or 4 years,” Maxwell said.

‘(BOB EVANS) WAS A STRANGE GUY’

A few years into their investigation in July 2014, they heard a name they did not recognize: Bob Evans.

“We'd been talking to (the property owner) for three years. After him telling us he had no idea who might have done this,” Maxwell said. “One day he just said, I think, I think you might want to look at Bob Evans. He called him Bob. Bobby Evans. Immediately we were like, ‘Well, why should we look at him?' And he said, ‘Well, because he was a strange. He was a strange guy, and he dumped trash on my property. I think as soon as we got off the phone we went to the library and looked up city directories and looked everywhere for any Bob, Robert Evans.”

“The Bob Evans name actually had popped up for the very first time in some of the research that Ronda Randall, the civilian researcher, had done,” Lt. Michael Kokoski, of New Hampshire State Police’s cold case unit, said.

Maxwell and his sister ran into another dead end, initially, with the name “Bob Evans.”

“Unfortunately, there (were) three Bob Evans that were electricians that lived in Manchester,” Maxwell said.

Bob Evans
NH State Police

Evans was later confirmed to be Rasmussen. He also had several other aliases and lived in several parts of the country before he was convicted of a separate murder in 2002.

‘A ONE-WAY STREET’

At one point during their investigation, Maxwell and Randall were scanning aerial images of Bear Brook State Park and noticed an area of disturbed dirt where a barrel, separate from the two that contained victims, sat.

“There was kind of an indent in the ground and it just looked different than the area around it. And so, we were interested,” Maxwell said.

The siblings passed the information over to police and after not hearing about the information for years, they notified police they had permission to dig in the area of disturbed dirt. Police gave them the go-ahead with the caveat that if they find anything, they must notify law enforcement.

“We rented a small excavator and dug up that area. We didn't find anything. Just a lot of trash. There wasn't a barrel there anymore, but there was a lot of trash in that area,” Maxwell said. “We provided them with a lot of information. We obviously got nothing in return because we're just civilians and they're not going to share anything with us.”

“Any civilian researcher wants to help, it's often a bit of a one-way street, where we take in information and try to make use of it as best we can. But there's often not a whole lot that we can share back. And again, certainly, Ronda and I had that discussion many times,” Kokoski said.

“I think what the last decade has shown is that there is a place for that kind of work if it's done correctly,” Kokoski added.

‘I NEED TO APOLOGIZE TO THE FAMILY’

When three of the four Allenstown victims were identified in 2019, Randall and Maxwell initially took a break investigating.

Allenstown victims
WMUR

“Ronda I think felt pretty relieved and she stopped researching it. I didn't even go to that press conference. And I didn't, I didn't put it together until months later that I kind of shut down on that,” Maxwell said.

“And I think it was because for so long they were kind of like our family,” he continued. “And then to all of a sudden find out that they had names, they had people that cared about them and loved them, that was hard to, that was hard to accept. It was hard to release them to the family. And I just backed off the case and stopped, probably for three or four months I didn't do anything at all on it.”

Maxwell said his initial feelings about the victims’ family have morphed over time.

“I need to apologize to the family, because I said the same thing a lot of other people said, and that was, ‘How can they go missing? How come no one's missing them? Where's their family?’ You know? And that was upsetting for Marlyse's siblings to hear that. Because they were looking. They were loved and there were people looking for them,” Maxwell said.

Of course, there’s a fourth victim, Rasmussen’s child, who has never been identified. And the pair again picked up their investigation.

Unidentified girl found in Allenstown
NH State Police and NCMEC

“We're still working on that,” said. “I think (the mother’s identity is) going to come from the right person giving, taking a DNA test and being a close match, and I think that's how they'll identify who she is.”