A Digital First BBC

RadiomikeRadiomike Posts: 7,947
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edited 26/05/22 - 14:03 in Broadcasting #1
It seems sensible to start a separate, dedicated but all embracing, thread in light of today's announcements from the BBC about the move to a Digital First BBC

https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/2022/plan-to-deliver-a-digital-first-bbc
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  • ViewerUpNorthViewerUpNorth Posts: 4,366
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    edited 26/05/22 - 14:19 #2
    If the BBC want to make some significant saving, they could easy save £100 million per year by dropping the Premier League highlights (MOTD) and FA Cup football. That licence fee payer money going into the coffer of English Football teams (which quite frankly, don't need the money).

    The BBC could easily replace football with other sports with much much lower cost tv rights fee, and the commercial sector would pick up those football rights.
  • Nick1984sNick1984s Posts: 2,258
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    edited 26/05/22 - 14:27 #3
    Makes sense, iPlayer and Sounds are the future of the BBC, over time their channels will start to disappear, in the mean time these channels will focus more and more on live events while iPlayer will become the focus for scripted content.

    Hopefully Ofcom will remove the restrictions on archive content being placed on iPlayer, loving the BBC Archive channel on YouTube and Id love to see more of this content.

    https://m.youtube.com/c/bbcarchive
  • Radio MaxRadio Max Posts: 953
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    I personally think it's likely that BBC Three will open earlier so some CBBC content can still be aired once their own channel has gone.
  • spikejspikej Posts: 3,552
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    If the BBC want to make some significant saving, they could easy save £100 million per year by dropping the Premier League highlights (MOTD) and FA Cup football. That licence fee payer money going into the coffer of English Football teams (which quite frankly, don't need the money).

    The BBC could easily replace football with other sports with much much lower cost tv rights fee, and the commercial sector would pick up those football rights.

    I bet you MOTD / FA Cup is one the last sports rights the BBC would want to lose - it fills loads of airtime each week & brings in different demographics to some of BBC's other programming.
  • ShropshireguyShropshireguy Posts: 16,138
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    A digital first BBC might sound ok but there are still millions of people who can't get internet access so I just hope they won't be forgotten about
  • Alan58Alan58 Posts: 1,893
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    Digital this, digital that - sticking an "e" in front of everything and trying to push more stuff onto iPlayer.
    However, the thing that caught my eye was closing of BBC Four at sometime in the future. No mention of BBC Three which they closed then re-opened.
  • spikejspikej Posts: 3,552
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    It's a funny one really, BBC Four gets far more viewers than BBC Three does but I suppose they can't be seen to drop BBC Three again politically - and I do appreciate BBC Four's audience is going to dwindle as time goes on.

    Personally I'd say having

    BBC One
    BBC Two
    BBC Extra (combining CBBC, Three and Four programming into 1x24hr channel)
    BBC News
    CBeebies (6am-7pm & flog the evening slot on DTT to another channel?!)

    Wouldn't be a terrible outcome for the TV side of things.
  • SploinkSploink Posts: 5,613
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    As a person who regularly listens to R4Ex, this is bad news. I also watch BBC4. For the amount of money I pay for the licence fee, I wouldn't have expected these swingeing cuts.
  • ViewerUpNorthViewerUpNorth Posts: 4,366
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    spikej wrote: »
    If the BBC want to make some significant saving, they could easy save £100 million per year by dropping the Premier League highlights (MOTD) and FA Cup football. That licence fee payer money going into the coffer of English Football teams (which quite frankly, don't need the money).

    The BBC could easily replace football with other sports with much much lower cost tv rights fee, and the commercial sector would pick up those football rights.

    I bet you MOTD / FA Cup is one the last sports rights the BBC would want to lose - it fills loads of airtime each week & brings in different demographics to some of BBC's other programming.

    That might be the case, but it still incredible expenses and something the BBC 'doesn't need to do'. ITV and Channel 5 could do a perfectly good job with it, and the BBC could direct that money into programming other won't make.

    For me, it the most incredulously waste of BBC limited funds. It time more people called this out
  • spikejspikej Posts: 3,552
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    spikej wrote: »
    If the BBC want to make some significant saving, they could easy save £100 million per year by dropping the Premier League highlights (MOTD) and FA Cup football. That licence fee payer money going into the coffer of English Football teams (which quite frankly, don't need the money).

    The BBC could easily replace football with other sports with much much lower cost tv rights fee, and the commercial sector would pick up those football rights.

    I bet you MOTD / FA Cup is one the last sports rights the BBC would want to lose - it fills loads of airtime each week & brings in different demographics to some of BBC's other programming.

    That might be the case, but it still incredible expenses and something the BBC 'doesn't need to do'. ITV and Channel 5 could do a perfectly good job with it, and the BBC could direct that money into programming other won't make.

    For me, it the most incredulously waste of BBC limited funds. It time more people called this out

    That's where the BBC is damned if it does and damned if it doesn't - one person's treasure is another's rubbish.

    Anyway as I recall, I don't remember ITV making a massive success of their Premier League highlight show back in the day.
  • philenglandphilengland Posts: 8,178
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    Radio Max wrote: »
    I personally think it's likely that BBC Three will open earlier so some CBBC content can still be aired once their own channel has gone.

    I think it would be easier and better for BBC Three, with its young demographic, to switch to online again, along with CBBC.

    BBC Four probably ha more elderly viewers who are not as in to technology and streaming, and BBC Four has more to offer culturally.

    If I am correct in thinking Cbeebies shares a stream with BBC Four currently, CBBC with BBC Three.
    This spare stream the BBC will free up could be let out to another broadcaster in time
  • Nick1984sNick1984s Posts: 2,258
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    edited 26/05/22 - 14:51 #13
    Radio Max wrote: »
    I personally think it's likely that BBC Three will open earlier so some CBBC content can still be aired once their own channel has gone.

    I think it would be easier and better for BBC Three, with its young demographic, to switch to online again, along with CBBC.

    BBC Four probably ha more elderly viewers who are not as in to technology and streaming, and BBC Four has more to offer culturally.

    If I am correct in thinking Cbeebies shares a stream with BBC Four currently, CBBC with BBC Three.
    This spare stream the BBC will free up could be let out to another broadcaster in time

    BBC Three is in an EastEnders situation where they've recently invested a stupid amount of money in it and, understandably, they want to save face.

    As for BBC Four I really hope they continue to produce the type of content they have been but on iPlayer (along with weekly uploads of classic Top of the Pops).
  • Mark.Mark. Posts: 84,922
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    spikej wrote: »
    If the BBC want to make some significant saving, they could easy save £100 million per year by dropping the Premier League highlights (MOTD) and FA Cup football. That licence fee payer money going into the coffer of English Football teams (which quite frankly, don't need the money).

    The BBC could easily replace football with other sports with much much lower cost tv rights fee, and the commercial sector would pick up those football rights.

    I bet you MOTD / FA Cup is one the last sports rights the BBC would want to lose - it fills loads of airtime each week & brings in different demographics to some of BBC's other programming.

    That might be the case, but it still incredible expenses and something the BBC 'doesn't need to do'. ITV and Channel 5 could do a perfectly good job with it, and the BBC could direct that money into programming other won't make.

    For me, it the most incredulously waste of BBC limited funds. It time more people called this out

    You don't seem to understand the point of the BBC.
  • DiandalScotlandDiandalScotland Posts: 2,099
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    Well here is hoping they do and go 100% digital subscription service say £9.99 a month instead of forcing people to pay an out of date license fee

  • SouthCitySouthCity Posts: 12,507
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    edited 26/05/22 - 14:57 #16
    spikej wrote: »
    spikej wrote: »
    If the BBC want to make some significant saving, they could easy save £100 million per year by dropping the Premier League highlights (MOTD) and FA Cup football. That licence fee payer money going into the coffer of English Football teams (which quite frankly, don't need the money).

    The BBC could easily replace football with other sports with much much lower cost tv rights fee, and the commercial sector would pick up those football rights.

    I bet you MOTD / FA Cup is one the last sports rights the BBC would want to lose - it fills loads of airtime each week & brings in different demographics to some of BBC's other programming.

    That might be the case, but it still incredible expenses and something the BBC 'doesn't need to do'. ITV and Channel 5 could do a perfectly good job with it, and the BBC could direct that money into programming other won't make.

    For me, it the most incredulously waste of BBC limited funds. It time more people called this out

    That's where the BBC is damned if it does and damned if it doesn't - one person's treasure is another's rubbish.

    Anyway as I recall, I don't remember ITV making a massive success of their Premier League highlight show back in the day.

    It was a lot better in the 2002/03 & 2003/04 seasons when they moved it to late nights and got rid of the gimmicks (like the tactics truck). Everyone remembers the disastrous first season when it was on at 7pm and displaced Blind Date. Would ITV want it back though now that Sky are making the highlights available on their YouTube channel from 6.30pm?
  • hanssolohanssolo Posts: 22,668
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    A digital first BBC might sound ok but there are still millions of people who can't get internet access so I just hope they won't be forgotten about
    Terrestrial TV and Radio will be here for a while, the ISPs will have reduced cost broadband, some content will be online only.
    From the announcent
    "Requesting Ofcom to remove regulatory restrictions on iPlayer to expand boxsets and archive content - with an ambition to reach 75% of BBC viewers through iPlayer each week".
    The BBC have sold a stake in Britbox, so some TV content might remain there as it becomes part of ITVX, or UKTV, but more will be on iPlayer.
    Some radio drama is on Audible subscription.
  • ViewerUpNorthViewerUpNorth Posts: 4,366
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    Radio Max wrote: »
    I personally think it's likely that BBC Three will open earlier so some CBBC content can still be aired once their own channel has gone.

    I think it would be easier and better for BBC Three, with its young demographic, to switch to online again, along with CBBC.

    BBC Four probably ha more elderly viewers who are not as in to technology and streaming, and BBC Four has more to offer culturally.

    If I am correct in thinking Cbeebies shares a stream with BBC Four currently, CBBC with BBC Three.
    This spare stream the BBC will free up could be let out to another broadcaster in time

    BBC 4 has effectively already been killed, or a least what the channel use to be last year when the BBC announced that it would become an purely archive only channel and would no longer be able to commissions new programs for itself (we've seen this with the TOTP repeats recently, where the Top of the Pops Story of 199X have had to be broadcast on BBC 2 because BBC 4 can't commission them for themselves any more). I believe the only things BBC 4 is allow to show new is live events (Proms, Sporting Events) where their isn't a place for them on another channel.

    I do agree that the BBC4 audience will be more affected by the liner channel closing then would be the BBC3 audience.

    It seem strange to bring back BBC3 as a liner channel and then close CBBC if the reason for bringing back BBC 3 was that younger people are still attracted to liner channels. Restarting a channel aim at 16 - 34 year old but then a few month later closing on aims at 6 - 17 year old seem very odd.
  • Darren LethemDarren Lethem Posts: 61,685
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    Well here is hoping they do and go 100% digital subscription service say £9.99 a month instead of forcing people to pay an out of date license fee

    Nobody is being forced. Fact.
  • ViewerUpNorthViewerUpNorth Posts: 4,366
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    Mark. wrote: »
    spikej wrote: »
    If the BBC want to make some significant saving, they could easy save £100 million per year by dropping the Premier League highlights (MOTD) and FA Cup football. That licence fee payer money going into the coffer of English Football teams (which quite frankly, don't need the money).

    The BBC could easily replace football with other sports with much much lower cost tv rights fee, and the commercial sector would pick up those football rights.

    I bet you MOTD / FA Cup is one the last sports rights the BBC would want to lose - it fills loads of airtime each week & brings in different demographics to some of BBC's other programming.

    That might be the case, but it still incredible expenses and something the BBC 'doesn't need to do'. ITV and Channel 5 could do a perfectly good job with it, and the BBC could direct that money into programming other won't make.

    For me, it the most incredulously waste of BBC limited funds. It time more people called this out

    You don't seem to understand the point of the BBC.

    Tell me what I'm not seeing then?
  • GHT234GHT234 Posts: 2,089
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    I believe the only things BBC 4 is allow to show new is live events (Proms, Sporting Events) where their isn't a place for them on another channel.
    And shows that air in their Sunday Night Performance Slot which started in April

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/2022/bbc-arts-future-projects
  • anthony davidanthony david Posts: 14,504
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    edited 26/05/22 - 15:24 #22
    Well here is hoping they do and go 100% digital subscription service say £9.99 a month instead of forcing people to pay an out of date license fee

    Dream on! Due to the fact that not everyone would be a subscriber a totally subscription BBC would be at least £500pa. You would probably be offered a deal if the BBC and Sky got together, terrestrial BBC might then close as it wouldn't be a PBS anyway and it would be just a pale shadow of its former self.

  • GHT234GHT234 Posts: 2,089
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    "We will focus our money where we are distinctive and more uniquely BBC. We will make tough choices about titles which may be performing on linear but are not doing enough to drive viewers to on-demand"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/speeches/2022/digital-first-bbc-director-general-tim-davie
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  • RadiomikeRadiomike Posts: 7,947
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    For clarity, the impression given by Tim Davie was not that BBC Four, CBBC or Radio 4 Extra would be axed, but rather the intention was to move them from traditional linear platforms to a digital only presence ie on i-player or Sounds, where they might be live streamed or their content would otherwise be available.

    The aim is to reduce the cost of linear broadcast platforms as regards less watched or listened to channels. BBC Three would be another candidate for an online only presence in due course. May only leave the legacy TV and Radio channels (eg BBC One/Two and Radios 1-5) on most linear platforms eventually?
  • VerenceVerence Posts: 104,589
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    I feared that BBC4's days as a "proper" were numbered once BBC3 came back from being online only.

    As far as the BBC is concerned BBC4 doesn't have the "right" sort of viewers, IE young.
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