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Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe has given an exclusive interview to Emma Barnett for Radio 4's Woman's Hour, to be broadcast at 10am tomorrow. However, a half-hour edit is to be broadcast at 8pm on BBC1 tonight.

Is it entirely in order for television to pre-empt a radio "scoop" in this way? Or am I just being old-fashioned? My feeling is very much that the radio version should have been broadcast first.
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    davelovesleedsdavelovesleeds Posts: 22,638
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    edited 23/05/22 - 16:39 #2
    Have to say when I saw this was a Woman's Hour interview I assumed it would have been broadcast on Radio 4 earlier today so surprised it wasn't.

    I will be watching it.
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    steepdropsteepdrop Posts: 7,212
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    Guy_Barry wrote: »
    Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe has given an exclusive interview to Emma Barnett for Radio 4's Woman's Hour, to be broadcast at 10am tomorrow. However, a half-hour edit is to be broadcast at 8pm on BBC1 tonight.

    Is it entirely in order for television to pre-empt a radio "scoop" in this way? Or am I just being old-fashioned? My feeling is very much that the radio version should have been broadcast first.

    I don't suppose the BBC care as long as the 'exclusive' goes out on any of their channels whether it be tv or radio.
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    Phil_WebsterPhil_Webster Posts: 3,318
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    I'm unlikely to watch or listen.
    I feel she was a pawn in a high-stakes game.
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    davelovesleedsdavelovesleeds Posts: 22,638
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    I'm unlikely to watch or listen.
    I feel she was a pawn in a high-stakes game.

    She was, which is why it's worth hearing her side of the story.
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    Guy_BarryGuy_Barry Posts: 3,591
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    edited 23/05/22 - 19:01 #6
    steepdrop wrote: »
    Guy_Barry wrote: »
    Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe has given an exclusive interview to Emma Barnett for Radio 4's Woman's Hour, to be broadcast at 10am tomorrow. However, a half-hour edit is to be broadcast at 8pm on BBC1 tonight.

    Is it entirely in order for television to pre-empt a radio "scoop" in this way? Or am I just being old-fashioned? My feeling is very much that the radio version should have been broadcast first.

    I don't suppose the BBC care as long as the 'exclusive' goes out on any of their channels whether it be tv or radio.

    I'm sure that's exactly the attitude of the BBC, and I can see why they would think that way. However I'm just a little uneasy about the idea that when their radio colleagues get an exclusive, the TV people feel they're entitled to "first dibs" on it. I can't think of a time when that's happened before.

    I suppose there's a "BBC corporate" view and a purist "radio" view, and the former won out on this occasion. I don't suppose the Woman's Hour team were exactly delighted about being "scooped" by another part of the BBC using their own material.

    Shouldn't BBC TV be getting its own exclusives rather than relying on BBC Radio to get them on their behalf?

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    Phil_WebsterPhil_Webster Posts: 3,318
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    Guy_Barry wrote: »
    steepdrop wrote: »
    Guy_Barry wrote: »
    Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe has given an exclusive interview to Emma Barnett for Radio 4's Woman's Hour, to be broadcast at 10am tomorrow. However, a half-hour edit is to be broadcast at 8pm on BBC1 tonight.

    Is it entirely in order for television to pre-empt a radio "scoop" in this way? Or am I just being old-fashioned? My feeling is very much that the radio version should have been broadcast first.

    I don't suppose the BBC care as long as the 'exclusive' goes out on any of their channels whether it be tv or radio.

    I'm sure that's exactly the attitude of the BBC, and I can see why they would think that way. However I'm just a little uneasy about the idea that when their radio colleagues get an exclusive, the TV people feel they're entitled to "first dibs" on it. I can't think of a time when that's happened before.

    I suppose there's a "BBC corporate" view and a purist "radio" view, and the former won out on this occasion. I don't suppose the Woman's Hour team were exactly delighted about being "scooped" by another part of the BBC using their own material.

    Shouldn't BBC TV be getting its own exclusives rather than relying on BBC Radio to get them on their behalf?

    It's what has happened over the years with successful radio programmes which then transferred to the small screen.
    TV feels entitled to take over.
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    steepdropsteepdrop Posts: 7,212
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    edited 23/05/22 - 19:15 #8
    Guy_Barry wrote: »
    steepdrop wrote: »
    Guy_Barry wrote: »
    Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe has given an exclusive interview to Emma Barnett for Radio 4's Woman's Hour, to be broadcast at 10am tomorrow. However, a half-hour edit is to be broadcast at 8pm on BBC1 tonight.

    Is it entirely in order for television to pre-empt a radio "scoop" in this way? Or am I just being old-fashioned? My feeling is very much that the radio version should have been broadcast first.

    I don't suppose the BBC care as long as the 'exclusive' goes out on any of their channels whether it be tv or radio.

    I'm sure that's exactly the attitude of the BBC, and I can see why they would think that way. However I'm just a little uneasy about the idea that when their radio colleagues get an exclusive, the TV people feel they're entitled to "first dibs" on it. I can't think of a time when that's happened before.

    I suppose there's a "BBC corporate" view and a purist "radio" view, and the former won out on this occasion. I don't suppose the Woman's Hour team were exactly delighted about being "scooped" by another part of the BBC using their own material.

    Shouldn't BBC TV be getting its own exclusives rather than relying on BBC Radio to get them on their behalf?

    I don't suppose the Woman's Hour team mind getting a bit of extra publicity.Have to say though that the BBC always seem to be trying to get more viewers for an evening programme like this by trailing it all day on news bulletins and on their news web page.Also I suspect they want to get as much mileage as possible out of it before people read about in the papers tomorrow and it's old news.
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    Guy_BarryGuy_Barry Posts: 3,591
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    edited 23/05/22 - 19:17 #9
    I've just found out that the full hour-long interview will be available on BBC Sounds from 8.30pm tonight - cunningly timed to start just when the TV version ends. I suppose the BBC knows how to maximize its audience...
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    steepdropsteepdrop Posts: 7,212
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    edited 23/05/22 - 19:17 #10
    Guy_Barry wrote: »
    Yes, but not normally before the radio programme is even broadcast!

    I've just found out that the full hour-long interview will be available on BBC Sounds from 8.30pm tonight - cunningly timed to start just when the TV version ends. I suppose the BBC knows how to maximize its audience...

    That's what I mean-it's get in there before everyone else does -doesn't mean I approve but I understand why they do it.
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    Martin PhillpMartin Phillp Posts: 34,924
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    I don't see a problem here. Women's Hour and the BBC Sounds Podcast of the interview get great publicity from a wider audience than would usually listen to Radio 4 on a weekday morning. If it encourages BBC One viewers to tune into Radio 4 tomorrow morning or use BBC Sounds, the job is done.
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    Station IDStation ID Posts: 7,411
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    Guy_Barry wrote: »
    steepdrop wrote: »
    Guy_Barry wrote: »
    Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe has given an exclusive interview to Emma Barnett for Radio 4's Woman's Hour, to be broadcast at 10am tomorrow. However, a half-hour edit is to be broadcast at 8pm on BBC1 tonight.

    Is it entirely in order for television to pre-empt a radio "scoop" in this way? Or am I just being old-fashioned? My feeling is very much that the radio version should have been broadcast first.

    I don't suppose the BBC care as long as the 'exclusive' goes out on any of their channels whether it be tv or radio.

    I'm sure that's exactly the attitude of the BBC, and I can see why they would think that way. However I'm just a little uneasy about the idea that when their radio colleagues get an exclusive, the TV people feel they're entitled to "first dibs" on it. I can't think of a time when that's happened before.

    I suppose there's a "BBC corporate" view and a purist "radio" view, and the former won out on this occasion. I don't suppose the Woman's Hour team were exactly delighted about being "scooped" by another part of the BBC using their own material.

    Shouldn't BBC TV be getting its own exclusives rather than relying on BBC Radio to get them on their behalf?

    I don't think BBC radio and TV are separate entities these days. I wouldn't be surprised if both come under BBC news so Radio 4 and TV news are colleagues.

    If the half hour TV one is only an edit I'd be inclined to think of it as a teaser and trail for Woman's hour. See the edited highlights but hear it in full on Radio 4 or BBC sounds.

    I'd say it's a pretty good way of doing it.
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    Station IDStation ID Posts: 7,411
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    Guy_Barry wrote: »
    I suppose the BBC knows how to maximize its audience...

    The licence fee payer can sleep soundly knowing their money is being used well.
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    anthony davidanthony david Posts: 14,507
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    edited 23/05/22 - 20:06 #14
    Meanwhile the programme has gone out, it was quite interesting but lower key than expected, perhaps she is keeping her powder dry for the press. There is nothing in any forum on here about it so few, if any, on DS seem to have watched it which is a shame.
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    steepdropsteepdrop Posts: 7,212
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    Station ID wrote: »
    Guy_Barry wrote: »
    I suppose the BBC knows how to maximize its audience...

    The licence fee payer can sleep soundly knowing their money is being used well.

    Well maybe not that soundly.
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    stesul63stesul63 Posts: 405
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    The problem here is that many of the forum users here are Radio anoraks and purists. What they don't realise is that the media world has changed. Even radio has cameras in the studio.
    Media is now all forms radio/TV print it's the future
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    mfrmfr Posts: 5,626
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    I don't see a problem here. Women's Hour and the BBC Sounds Podcast of the interview get great publicity from a wider audience than would usually listen to Radio 4 on a weekday morning. If it encourages BBC One viewers to tune into Radio 4 tomorrow morning or use BBC Sounds, the job is done.

    Exactly that - free publicity for BBC’s audio services . It’s pretty normal to run the short version of an interview/exclusive first; the other way round doesn’t make much sense.

    TV and Radio should work together; it’s one BBC. It seems they’ve done this… I’m not sure where the narrative that Radio 4 were somehow coerced into supplying the interview to TV has come from.
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    Guy_BarryGuy_Barry Posts: 3,591
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    Station ID wrote: »
    I don't think BBC radio and TV are separate entities these days. I wouldn't be surprised if both come under BBC news so Radio 4 and TV news are colleagues.

    Woman's Hour is not part of BBC News.


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    Guy_BarryGuy_Barry Posts: 3,591
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    mfr wrote: »
    I don't see a problem here. Women's Hour and the BBC Sounds Podcast of the interview get great publicity from a wider audience than would usually listen to Radio 4 on a weekday morning. If it encourages BBC One viewers to tune into Radio 4 tomorrow morning or use BBC Sounds, the job is done.

    Exactly that - free publicity for BBC’s audio services . It’s pretty normal to run the short version of an interview/exclusive first; the other way round doesn’t make much sense.

    When has this happened before then? I simply can't recall a similar instance in the past.
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    Paul from FFPaul from FF Posts: 2,019
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    The BBC has to save money - lots of it. Inflation is 10% and the licence fee is frozen for two years. Expect more sharing of content between TV and radio and .across different radio services.
    Those of you who voted for the Johnson government have brought this on yourself.
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    Phil_WebsterPhil_Webster Posts: 3,318
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    The BBC has to save money - lots of it. Inflation is 10% and the licence fee is frozen for two years. Expect more sharing of content between TV and radio and .across different radio services.
    Those of you who voted for the Johnson government have brought this on yourself.

    I wouldn't trust any politician with the BBC given the events over the last couple of years.
    True, the Beeb has the ability to shoot itself in the foot on many occasions, but the increasingly shrill accusations of bias from each end of the political spectrum leaves it vulnerable to 'well meaning re- focussing'.
    We've had the best of Auntie and unfortunately she's getting more infirm with increasing age.
    Remember her fondly when she's gone.
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    radio tunerradio tuner Posts: 3,030
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    The BBC has to save money - lots of it. Inflation is 10% and the licence fee is frozen for two years. Expect more sharing of content between TV and radio and .across different radio services.
    Those of you who voted for the Johnson government have brought this on yourself.

    nobody voted for a johnson government
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    Station IDStation ID Posts: 7,411
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    Guy_Barry wrote: »
    Station ID wrote: »
    I don't think BBC radio and TV are separate entities these days. I wouldn't be surprised if both come under BBC news so Radio 4 and TV news are colleagues.

    Woman's Hour is not part of BBC News.


    Still broadcast on the BBC though. The days of rivalry are long gone, or should be. It's one organisation with content shared on all platforms.
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    Guy_BarryGuy_Barry Posts: 3,591
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    Station ID wrote: »
    Guy_Barry wrote: »
    Station ID wrote: »
    I don't think BBC radio and TV are separate entities these days. I wouldn't be surprised if both come under BBC news so Radio 4 and TV news are colleagues.

    Woman's Hour is not part of BBC News.


    Still broadcast on the BBC though.

    Well of course it's broadcast on the BBC!

    You made a statement "I wouldn't surprised if both come under BBC news". Well Woman's Hour doesn't and I don't think the special half-hour TV programme did either. Neither of them was billed as a news broadcast - in fact the TV programme was billed as a "special Woman’s Hour programme".

    Prove me wrong if you like, but I don't think there's ever previously been a TV broadcast billed as a special edition of a radio programme.





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    Station IDStation ID Posts: 7,411
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    Guy_Barry wrote: »
    Station ID wrote: »
    Guy_Barry wrote: »
    Station ID wrote: »
    I don't think BBC radio and TV are separate entities these days. I wouldn't be surprised if both come under BBC news so Radio 4 and TV news are colleagues.

    Woman's Hour is not part of BBC News.


    Still broadcast on the BBC though.

    Well of course it's broadcast on the BBC!

    You made a statement "I wouldn't surprised if both come under BBC news". Well Woman's Hour doesn't and I don't think the special half-hour TV programme did either. Neither of them was billed as a news broadcast - in fact the TV programme was billed as a "special Woman’s Hour programme".

    Prove me wrong if you like, but I don't think there's ever previously been a TV broadcast billed as a special edition of a radio programme.





    I don't want to prove you wrong. The fact I said 'wouldn"t be surprised' should have indicated that I wasn't sure. You clearly are sure so I apologise for not saying thanks when you brought this fact to my attention.

    It may not have happened before and I neither know nor care. Its the direction of travel for the media in general and if the BBC have only just started to do it then it's a welcome development in my book.

    Content sharing should be common place now. All areas of the organisation should be working together

    Btw was the interview any good?
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    anthony davidanthony david Posts: 14,507
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    Station ID wrote: »
    Guy_Barry wrote: »
    Station ID wrote: »
    Guy_Barry wrote: »
    Station ID wrote: »
    I don't think BBC radio and TV are separate entities these days. I wouldn't be surprised if both come under BBC news so Radio 4 and TV news are colleagues.

    Woman's Hour is not part of BBC News.


    Still broadcast on the BBC though.

    Well of course it's broadcast on the BBC!

    You made a statement "I wouldn't surprised if both come under BBC news". Well Woman's Hour doesn't and I don't think the special half-hour TV programme did either. Neither of them was billed as a news broadcast - in fact the TV programme was billed as a "special Woman’s Hour programme".

    Prove me wrong if you like, but I don't think there's ever previously been a TV broadcast billed as a special edition of a radio programme.





    I don't want to prove you wrong. The fact I said 'wouldn"t be surprised' should have indicated that I wasn't sure. You clearly are sure so I apologise for not saying thanks when you brought this fact to my attention.

    It may not have happened before and I neither know nor care. Its the direction of travel for the media in general and if the BBC have only just started to do it then it's a welcome development in my book.

    Content sharing should be common place now. All areas of the organisation should be working together

    Btw was the interview any good?

    Yes, I saw the TV version and the full length radio version is on BBC Sounds. As far as I can tell, apart from probably davelovesleeds, no one on DS watched or listened to it, they were still having pointless arguments about TV v Radio whilst the programme was actually going out!

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