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R2Y5A0N2R2Y5A0N2 Posts: 54,679
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So Kathy currently owns both the café and the Prince Albert? Or does Ian still own the café?

Now that Mila has been confirmed as leaving the show, who should Kathy employ? I'd love to see Kim Fox hired as bar manager & barmaid/cocktail waitress. I'd also like to see Frankie transfer back to the Albert.
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    ScrabblerScrabbler Posts: 51,319
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    Kathy owns the cafe. Ian sold it to Wilmott Brown and I think it was Fi who signed it over to Kathy.
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    R2Y5A0N2R2Y5A0N2 Posts: 54,679
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    Scrabbler wrote: »
    Kathy owns the cafe. Ian sold it to Wilmott Brown and I think it was Fi who signed it over to Kathy.

    Thanks @Scrabbler
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    laceydawsonlaceydawson Posts: 3,682
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    Kathy owns the cafe and the Prince Albert. Ian owns the restaurant and the chippy.
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    ScrabblerScrabbler Posts: 51,319
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    I agree that Kim would work well in The Albert. They should bring in a drag queen, someone who could do shows there. A character with layers. Someone who should be best friends with Sharon.
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    Peter_Clarke1Peter_Clarke1 Posts: 291
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    edited 26/01/22 - 16:10 #6
    R2Y5A0N2 wrote: »
    So Kathy currently owns both the café and the Prince Albert? Or does Ian still own the café?

    Now that Mila has been confirmed as leaving the show, who should Kathy employ? I'd love to see Kim Fox hired as bar manager & barmaid/cocktail waitress. I'd also like to see Frankie transfer back to the Albert.

    Kim is an excellent shout. She may not be able to do it full time though as she’s a mother, but certainly part time at least. Would be happy for Frankie to work there again or even Jay.

    Somebody like Dana, Stacey or Eve would be interesting though? Perhaps even somebody like Zach or Janine, although Janine would want to be the Vic.
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    Dr K NoisewaterDr K Noisewater Posts: 11,597
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    Scrabbler wrote: »
    Kathy owns the cafe. Ian sold it to Wilmott Brown and I think it was Fi who signed it over to Kathy.

    That's right. Ian sold the café to Wilmott Brown during the whole Weyland taking over Walford plot. That never made any sense to me, why would Ian sell off one of his businesses like that? The café has always been talked about as being a little goldmine and Ian wasn't experiencing any financial hardship at the time. It didn't really ring true.

    Then when Fi discovered that her dad had raped Kathy she signed the café over to Kathy for £1.00 as a way of an apology, even though it wasn't Kathy's to begin with it was Ian's.

    As far as we know Ian never asked Kathy to return ownership of the business to him so presumably she still owns it.

    Kathy also acquired the money to buy the Prince Albert thanks to selling a valuable necklace that Ben gave her from the infamous jewelry heist organised by Irish gangster Aidan.

    So Kathy owns two businesses - the café and the Prince Albert - thanks to her two sons generosity.
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    R2Y5A0N2R2Y5A0N2 Posts: 54,679
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    Scrabbler wrote: »
    I agree that Kim would work well in The Albert. They should bring in a drag queen, someone who could do shows there. A character with layers. Someone who should be best friends with Sharon.

    I volunteer to play the drag queen :smile:
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    R2Y5A0N2R2Y5A0N2 Posts: 54,679
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    R2Y5A0N2 wrote: »
    So Kathy currently owns both the café and the Prince Albert? Or does Ian still own the café?

    Now that Mila has been confirmed as leaving the show, who should Kathy employ? I'd love to see Kim Fox hired as bar manager & barmaid/cocktail waitress. I'd also like to see Frankie transfer back to the Albert.

    Kim is an excellent shout. She may not be able to do it full time though as she’s a mother, but certainly part time at least.

    Somebody like Dana, Stacey or Eve would be interesting though? Perhaps even somebody like Zach or Janine, although Janine would want to be the Vic.

    Zack is a good choice :smile:
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    persipersi Posts: 21,689
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    Scrabbler wrote: »
    Kathy owns the cafe. Ian sold it to Wilmott Brown and I think it was Fi who signed it over to Kathy.

    That's right. Ian sold the café to Wilmott Brown during the whole Weyland taking over Walford plot. That never made any sense to me, why would Ian sell off one of his businesses like that? The café has always been talked about as being a little goldmine and Ian wasn't experiencing any financial hardship at the time. It didn't really ring true.

    Then when Fi discovered that her dad had raped Kathy she signed the café over to Kathy for £1.00 as a way of an apology, even though it wasn't Kathy's to begin with it was Ian's.

    As far as we know Ian never asked Kathy to return ownership of the business to him so presumably she still owns it.

    Kathy also acquired the money to buy the Prince Albert thanks to selling a valuable necklace that Ben gave her from the infamous jewelry heist organised by Irish gangster Aidan.

    So Kathy owns two businesses - the café and the Prince Albert - thanks to her two sons generosity.

    I think on Ian's part that generosity has probably been cancelled out by him taking out a fraudulent mortgage on the café in Kathy's name (which he used to buy the Vic). As far as I know Kathy's still paying that off.
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    ScrabblerScrabbler Posts: 51,319
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    persi wrote: »
    Scrabbler wrote: »
    Kathy owns the cafe. Ian sold it to Wilmott Brown and I think it was Fi who signed it over to Kathy.

    That's right. Ian sold the café to Wilmott Brown during the whole Weyland taking over Walford plot. That never made any sense to me, why would Ian sell off one of his businesses like that? The café has always been talked about as being a little goldmine and Ian wasn't experiencing any financial hardship at the time. It didn't really ring true.

    Then when Fi discovered that her dad had raped Kathy she signed the café over to Kathy for £1.00 as a way of an apology, even though it wasn't Kathy's to begin with it was Ian's.

    As far as we know Ian never asked Kathy to return ownership of the business to him so presumably she still owns it.

    Kathy also acquired the money to buy the Prince Albert thanks to selling a valuable necklace that Ben gave her from the infamous jewelry heist organised by Irish gangster Aidan.

    So Kathy owns two businesses - the café and the Prince Albert - thanks to her two sons generosity.

    I think on Ian's part that generosity has probably been cancelled out by him taking out a fraudulent mortgage on the café in Kathy's name (which he used to buy the Vic). As far as I know Kathy's still paying that off.

    Plus Ian would have profitted from the sale of the cafe. It was Fi who gave Kathy the cafe and not Ian.
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    Robert_Davies1Robert_Davies1 Posts: 901
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    They should bring in two new gay characters, one male and one female to work in the Albert. They could flat share with an established character.

    I'd also love to see Stacey working there
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    Tanya1982Tanya1982 Posts: 17,460
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    edited 26/01/22 - 16:20 #13
    I've said before, I'm sick of saying it. However, if they must keep it roughly as is, they should rename it The Albatross because that's what it is. It looks like a freezing cold community centre - in some scenes you can hear chairs scraping across laminated floors - horrific. It doesn't work on any level. The whole concept was and is a tokenistic crime against taste, shoehorned into everything including mosque meetings, to justify its joy free existence.

    If they must decide to have stuff like fancy dress contests on a random Tuesday, in broad daylight, hopefully one character will make a proper effort. Time, perhaps, to see Phil in a whole new light...

    p06zwbjf.jpg
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    valdvald Posts: 46,057
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    I vote for Eve. Can't a ide Kim.
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    Tanya1982Tanya1982 Posts: 17,460
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    persi wrote: »
    Scrabbler wrote: »
    Kathy owns the cafe. Ian sold it to Wilmott Brown and I think it was Fi who signed it over to Kathy.

    That's right. Ian sold the café to Wilmott Brown during the whole Weyland taking over Walford plot. That never made any sense to me, why would Ian sell off one of his businesses like that? The café has always been talked about as being a little goldmine and Ian wasn't experiencing any financial hardship at the time. It didn't really ring true.

    Then when Fi discovered that her dad had raped Kathy she signed the café over to Kathy for £1.00 as a way of an apology, even though it wasn't Kathy's to begin with it was Ian's.

    As far as we know Ian never asked Kathy to return ownership of the business to him so presumably she still owns it.

    Kathy also acquired the money to buy the Prince Albert thanks to selling a valuable necklace that Ben gave her from the infamous jewelry heist organised by Irish gangster Aidan.

    So Kathy owns two businesses - the café and the Prince Albert - thanks to her two sons generosity.

    I think on Ian's part that generosity has probably been cancelled out by him taking out a fraudulent mortgage on the café in Kathy's name (which he used to buy the Vic). As far as I know Kathy's still paying that off.

    I'm not sure giving your mother a stolen necklace from a gangster you've robbed counts as generosity either. I don't think Kathy has to thank her two sons for either business.
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    Peter_Clarke1Peter_Clarke1 Posts: 291
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    Tanya1982 wrote: »
    I've said before, I'm sick of saying it. However, if they must keep it roughly as is, they should rename it The Albatross because that's what it is. It looks like a freezing cold community centre - in some scenes you can hear chairs scraping across laminated floors - horrific. It doesn't work on any level. The whole concept was and is a tokenistic crime against taste, shoehorned into everything including mosque meetings, to justify its joy free existence.

    If they must decide to have stuff like fancy dress contests on a random Tuesday, in broad daylight, hopefully one character will make a proper effort. Time, perhaps, to see Phil in a whole new light...

    p06zwbjf.jpg

    I wouldn’t go as far as getting Phil in fancy dress competition unless another character manages to drag him into it. If Walford Pride II ever happens, I would however like to see Phil getting dragged into the celebrations but then he ends up having the time of his life. I love it when Phil goes into comedy mode.

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    Tanya1982Tanya1982 Posts: 17,460
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    edited 26/01/22 - 16:45 #17
    I agree. Phil works as a softer character, with a kind of ironic sense of humour and an open mind lurking underneath his violent upbringing. That's who the character was originally. Grant was the mad one, Phil was the kind of person who married a refugee so they could stay in the country - God knows what 90's Phil would've made of his people trafficking son.
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    Aaron_SilverAaron_Silver Posts: 32,993
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    Tanya1982 wrote: »
    I agree. Phil works as a softer character, with a kind of ironic sense of humour and an open mind lurking underneath his violent upbringing. That's who the character was originally. Grant was the mad one, Phil was the kind of person who married a refugee so they could stay in the country - God knows what 90's Phil would've made of his people trafficking son.

    You forget that Ben was people trafficking under the orders of his father, so what do you think Philth would think? :s
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    Tanya1982Tanya1982 Posts: 17,460
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    Tanya1982 wrote: »
    I agree. Phil works as a softer character, with a kind of ironic sense of humour and an open mind lurking underneath his violent upbringing. That's who the character was originally. Grant was the mad one, Phil was the kind of person who married a refugee so they could stay in the country - God knows what 90's Phil would've made of his people trafficking son.

    You forget that Ben was people trafficking under the orders of his father, so what do you think Philth would think? :s

    I didn't forget - I said original Phil. The extent to which his entire character has become different to the point of ridiculous is indicative of the great EE problem.
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    Peter_Clarke1Peter_Clarke1 Posts: 291
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    Tanya1982 wrote: »
    Tanya1982 wrote: »
    I agree. Phil works as a softer character, with a kind of ironic sense of humour and an open mind lurking underneath his violent upbringing. That's who the character was originally. Grant was the mad one, Phil was the kind of person who married a refugee so they could stay in the country - God knows what 90's Phil would've made of his people trafficking son.

    You forget that Ben was people trafficking under the orders of his father, so what do you think Philth would think? :s

    I didn't forget - I said original Phil. The extent to which his entire character has become different to the point of ridiculous is indicative of the great EE problem.

    I haven’t closely watched the trafficking episodes, but I thought it was Ben that tricked Phil into it and Phil didn’t realise what he got himself into until one point?


    Anyway, I’d love some comedy for Phil. I thought maybe at a party or celebration with music, a character (not sure who yet) could spike his non-alcoholic drink with ecstasy. Would love Phil to end up doing a little dance to music and getting all lives up with everyone 😁 Would be funny. Not sure if that’s allowed in pre-watershed though.

    https://youtu.be/xa5shzBkAcw Just saw the bit from 8:19 and it gave me that idea.
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    Tanya1982Tanya1982 Posts: 17,460
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    edited 26/01/22 - 18:08 #21
    Tanya1982 wrote: »
    Tanya1982 wrote: »
    I agree. Phil works as a softer character, with a kind of ironic sense of humour and an open mind lurking underneath his violent upbringing. That's who the character was originally. Grant was the mad one, Phil was the kind of person who married a refugee so they could stay in the country - God knows what 90's Phil would've made of his people trafficking son.

    You forget that Ben was people trafficking under the orders of his father, so what do you think Philth would think? :s

    I didn't forget - I said original Phil. The extent to which his entire character has become different to the point of ridiculous is indicative of the great EE problem.

    I haven’t closely watched the trafficking episodes, but I thought it was Ben that tricked Phil into it and Phil didn’t realise what he got himself into until one point?


    Anyway, I’d love some comedy for Phil. I thought maybe at a party or celebration with music, a character (not sure who yet) could spike his non-alcoholic drink with ecstasy. Would love Phil to end up doing a little dance to music and getting all lives up with everyone 😁 Would be funny. Not sure if that’s allowed in pre-watershed though.

    https://youtu.be/xa5shzBkAcw Just saw the bit from 8:19 and it gave me that idea.

    I think that you're right, but we might be wrong - there are people here that watch episodes repeatedly, and binge entire years worth of them from times gone by, so I'll defer to them on the detail. I just feel part of the reason modern Phil doesn't work that well is because he was never that person.

    I like your idea. There's another problem with the broadcast time being pre-watershed. We are expected to believe that none of the residents have a couple of lines or pills on a night out, and nobody enjoys the odd spliff - they all either never would, or they're crack addicts. It's so restrictive and tame.

    There's no way that Shirley and Jean wouldn't have blessed their good fortune and set aside a weekend to smoke their way through as much of that garage as possible, quite happily - definitely alongside Zack too, plus with Sharon, Martin, Karen and Mitch for sure, probably Nancy, and possibly Kat.
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    odessieodessie Posts: 169
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    Tanya1982 wrote: »
    Tanya1982 wrote: »
    I agree. Phil works as a softer character, with a kind of ironic sense of humour and an open mind lurking underneath his violent upbringing. That's who the character was originally. Grant was the mad one, Phil was the kind of person who married a refugee so they could stay in the country - God knows what 90's Phil would've made of his people trafficking son.

    You forget that Ben was people trafficking under the orders of his father, so what do you think Philth would think? :s

    I didn't forget - I said original Phil. The extent to which his entire character has become different to the point of ridiculous is indicative of the great EE problem.

    I haven’t closely watched the trafficking episodes, but I thought it was Ben that tricked Phil into it and Phil didn’t realise what he got himself into until one point?

    No - it was just a single episode, and was set up by Phil, not Ben. Phil agreed to provide a driver for Danny Hardcastle because he was broke and desperate for money. He didn't know it was human trafficking - but then again, he didn't ask too many questions either and he knew the kind of people he was dealing with.

    He sent Keanu to be the driver. When Keanu looked in the lorry he saw that it was humans he was driving and refused to do it. Ben turned up at that point because he'd been following Keanu (jealous of his relationship with Phil) - he knew nothing about the cargo any more than Phil until that point. He then negotiated with the guy organising it to provide a different driver so that Phil didn't lose the money.

    Ben didn't organise the human trafficking, he just didn't do anything to stop it. But neither did Phil or Keanu! If Keanu was really that bothered about it, he could have nipped into a phone box on the way home and anonymously tipped off the police. Which is why I get frustrated by the constant human trafficker charge thrown at Ben - I'm not defending it, it was awful, but he did SUCH worse things in 2019 than that! The trafficking would have happened whether Ben was there or not, unlike him hiring a hitman to kill Billy, threatening to kill Martin's kids, becoming a loan shark etc. - all way worse.
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    odessieodessie Posts: 169
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    Anyway, back on topic - I don't mind the Albert too much these days, when it's full there is a bit of atmosphere there, particularly in night scenes. I think the main problem with the set is that very small bar at the back, where you can only have one person behind it - makes it hard to film scenes with a couple of characters working there, like you can behind the bar in the Vic, or in the restaurant kitchen, or the salon or the laundrette. So for every day scenes we only ever seen a couple of characters sitting up at a table at the top end. I think the layout makes it hard to film nearer the bar, maybe?
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    Peter_Clarke1Peter_Clarke1 Posts: 291
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    Tanya1982 wrote: »
    Tanya1982 wrote: »
    Tanya1982 wrote: »
    I agree. Phil works as a softer character, with a kind of ironic sense of humour and an open mind lurking underneath his violent upbringing. That's who the character was originally. Grant was the mad one, Phil was the kind of person who married a refugee so they could stay in the country - God knows what 90's Phil would've made of his people trafficking son.

    You forget that Ben was people trafficking under the orders of his father, so what do you think Philth would think? :s

    I didn't forget - I said original Phil. The extent to which his entire character has become different to the point of ridiculous is indicative of the great EE problem.

    I haven’t closely watched the trafficking episodes, but I thought it was Ben that tricked Phil into it and Phil didn’t realise what he got himself into until one point?


    Anyway, I’d love some comedy for Phil. I thought maybe at a party or celebration with music, a character (not sure who yet) could spike his non-alcoholic drink with ecstasy. Would love Phil to end up doing a little dance to music and getting all lives up with everyone 😁 Would be funny. Not sure if that’s allowed in pre-watershed though.

    https://youtu.be/xa5shzBkAcw Just saw the bit from 8:19 and it gave me that idea.

    I think that you're right, but we might be wrong - there are people here that watch episodes repeatedly, and binge entire years worth of them from times gone by, so I'll defer to them on the detail. I just feel part of the reason modern Phil doesn't work that well is because he was never that person.

    I like your idea. There's another problem with the broadcast time being pre-watershed. We are expected to believe that none of the residents have a couple of lines or pills on a night out, and nobody enjoys the odd spliff - they all either never would, or they're crack addicts. It's so restrictive and tame.

    There's no way that Shirley and Jean wouldn't have blessed their good fortune and set aside a weekend to smoke their way through as much of that garage as possible, quite happily - definitely alongside Zack too, plus with Sharon, Martin, Karen and Mitch for sure, probably Nancy, and possibly Kat.

    Agreed on the restrictive times. I don’t seen it in Jean despite the cannabis storyline but I see it in Mo and Shirley. Nancy definitely would and possibly Zack. I can certainly see it in the young characters like Keegan, Vinny and Dotty. Don’t see it in Sharon and Kat tbh.

    Speaking of Martin, there was one time in 2000 when Nick Cotton gave Alexandrou’s Martin pills to help him cope with fatherhood? Lol.

    The clip below of where he took the ‘good pills’ before Nick later gave him the bad stuff. “YOU GOTTA DROP A PILL MAN AND CHILL ‘AAAAAAAT” Very unrealistic with how quickly he felt the effects though!

    https://youtu.be/1If_-qDYhYc

    I think my idea could be done in this case, although it may have to be a rare thing.
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    pixibel81pixibel81 Posts: 2,192
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    Wasn't it originally Kim vs Mila for the job?
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    O-JO-J Posts: 18,851
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    edited 26/01/22 - 19:20 #26
    The Prince Albert is so underused i forgot it was called the Prince Albert, I've been referring to it as the gay bar.
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