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Why does EE get more of a hard time than the other soaps?
JakeGfriedman
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I must just need my head testing but I can’t for the life of me understand the reasons EE gets more of a hard time than any soap on here
I look at the state of Coronation Street and Emmerdale and Hollyoaks and see Praise heaped on them
All three have descended into Panto. It’s all silly and heightened and terribly acted.
All three change their editing styles from time to time to compliment the storylines, they sometime have incidental music
The Coronation Street set looks like toy town. It all looks fake and plastic and I never believe what I’m watching.
Then you have EastEnders.
It’s stayed true to its style and it’s core identify more than any of the soaps. I still recognise it as Eastenders.
It’s had a few moments where it’s bowed to pressure to modernise and as soon as it tries the same editing/music techniques as the other soaps they’re accused of being cringy and told they should stop doing it
The only time EE has truely only ever been abysmal for me was the gas explosion/ambulance crash week a few years ago.
I’m really enjoying the slow burn storylines. Because I have an attention span bigger than a goldfish.
It appears many soap fans can only consume bite size tik tok length storylines because of a storyline last longer than a week they get bored and start complaining
It can’t win with many people. It stays the same. It gets criticised. It tries something new. It gets criticised.
When you ask people what they think it needs to improve they just say ‘good storylines. 🤷♀️🤦♀️
I’m wondering why it gets more of a hard time than Carry On Corrie, the Emmerdale Pantomime or Tik Tollyoaks
Because for me it’s the only one that’s stayed consistent with strong interesting storylines and is well acted across the board
I look at the state of Coronation Street and Emmerdale and Hollyoaks and see Praise heaped on them
All three have descended into Panto. It’s all silly and heightened and terribly acted.
All three change their editing styles from time to time to compliment the storylines, they sometime have incidental music
The Coronation Street set looks like toy town. It all looks fake and plastic and I never believe what I’m watching.
Then you have EastEnders.
It’s stayed true to its style and it’s core identify more than any of the soaps. I still recognise it as Eastenders.
It’s had a few moments where it’s bowed to pressure to modernise and as soon as it tries the same editing/music techniques as the other soaps they’re accused of being cringy and told they should stop doing it
The only time EE has truely only ever been abysmal for me was the gas explosion/ambulance crash week a few years ago.
I’m really enjoying the slow burn storylines. Because I have an attention span bigger than a goldfish.
It appears many soap fans can only consume bite size tik tok length storylines because of a storyline last longer than a week they get bored and start complaining
It can’t win with many people. It stays the same. It gets criticised. It tries something new. It gets criticised.
When you ask people what they think it needs to improve they just say ‘good storylines. 🤷♀️🤦♀️
I’m wondering why it gets more of a hard time than Carry On Corrie, the Emmerdale Pantomime or Tik Tollyoaks
Because for me it’s the only one that’s stayed consistent with strong interesting storylines and is well acted across the board
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It deserves the hard time it's getting. It's the exact reason why ITV have cottoned on and have thought now is a good time to go in for the killer blow in their rescheduling.
It is only very very recent Eastenders has FINALLY got the kind of treatment the others have got. Emmerdale has been put down on in recent years far worse than anything EE has gotten recently.
But I particularly wanna talk about Hollyoaks. My god, back in the day here, I wouldn't even admit I watched HO here for a few years because of the "Hollyjoke" and worse I knew would be coming my way.
Does anyone remember when HO first won Best Soap and the shit show that occurred? So many deleted threads.
The treatment EE is getting is nothing in the scheme of things over the years here.
I don't watch Emmerdale and only watch Corrie sporadically these days, are they any better?
Yes EastEnders is a mess and Chris Clenshaw has his work cut out to fix it
To me the best Soap by far right now is Neighbours.
There are very few good writers with the exception of Darren Little, Simon Ashdown & Pete Lawson.
The Soul of the Show has ripped away.
Simon has always been my favourite writer, wish he would write more episode's.
Some people have too much faith in Chris Clenshaw, someone whom has worked his way up the ranks since 2016. Through arguably some of the worst periods of the show in it's history.
He was a storyliner, then script editor and a story editor during SOC's reign.
He's had major input during the Oates era.
Enough said...
I'll say here and now, I'll judge him on his future efforts when they are seen. His past efforts haven't been anything worth shouting about.
Phil Mitchell = Jimmy Corkhill
Let's give him a chance, if he fails then it's on him and Kate Oates, there is a lot of work to be done that needs to start with the likes of Sharon Batten leaving first.
Agreed. I’m interesting to see what EE critics will have to say if the show doesn’t end up feeling much different from the current era it’s amidst, when Chris takes over as then that surely would refute the theory that Jon Sen is the devil incarnate; and the problems run much deeper than who is steering the ship.
From what I've seen it doesn't, though maybe the criticism of Corrie is confined to fewer threads, notably the 'suspension of reality' one, while separate, smaller threads are opened to criticise particular characters and storylines in Eastenders.
Agree with your post.
Too many are seeing Chris Clenshaw as some kind of silver bullet to ending EE's woes.
The fact is no-one currently knows how he'll perform in the top job. He may be great, he may be worse than Sen. It is too early to say.
Many of here pan the SOC era, for which Chris was a big player in.
I agree with this.
I watch pretty much all the soaps so read threads about all of them and I really don't think EE is given a harder time than any of the others.
Corrie is panned all the time - take a look at the comments about recent episodes and plot lines such as Craig's private investigations into the history of the walking stick, the brief disappearance of Joseph and Sally's public weeing.
The general consensus on Emmerdale seems to be that the only thing of interest or entertainment value in recent months has been Meena and just as many hate the panto element of it as liked it.
I could go on but the point is ALL the soaps are being criticised but generally in limited threads such as the daily episode, SORs and even, in the cases of Neighbours, Holby City and Casualty, one thread which just rolls on from episode to episode, day to day, week to week, year to year.
EE, for some reason, generates more threads than most of the other soaps, often several on the same subject on the same day.
So it seems like there is more criticism but really there isn't.
So Corrie on Mondays will be on at the same time as EE at 8pm?
Also on Fridays ?
It is strange and it's always been the way on here that we threads are a bit "messy"- multiple threads on the same thing.
Surely it's the same people in each thread having the same conversation. Like ED in the last few weeks with new Meena threads daily
I don’t watch Hollyoaks or Emmerdale and one of the reasons is the pointless killing of so many characters over the years. A trait that was borrowed from Brookside, another show I cared little for. It’s hard to invest in characters when they’ll inevitably die.
I dip in and out of Corrie but find it a bit dull. But It still has a strong, long term cast who’ve been there for years.
The problem with EE is that it’s been so good in the past and head and shoulders above anything else that the drop in quality has been far more noticeable. It’s now followed the Hollyoaks and Emmerdale pattern of killing off characters left, right and centre. And it’s got rid of so many recognizable faces that the general public have little recognition of the current cast if they happen to tune in.
It’s also changed character personalities and made characters become plot vessels.
It’s also been very badly neglected by the BBC management. The ITV soaps aren’t and EE is. The BBC have taken their eye off the ball for years. iTV regularly has super soap week and promotes them. EE has Christmas Day and that’s it and looking at the ratings nowadays nobody cares about that.
The Gray storyline - The story hasn’t gripped the publics imagination like they thought it would. This is a mixture of bad storytelling (CCTV not working at tube station) and appalling acting. Yes I’m sure he has his fans but sadly Toby who plays Gray is just not very good, not scarey, not threatening, just dull.
Sharon trying to kill Ian was madness. Most of us on here are in agreement that she should have been blaming Phil instead for Denny’s death.
Nobody at work seems to talk about it any more. The silly sound effects and slow motion. It’s trying to be something it’s not.
And because EE is funded by the public it’s under greater scrutiny and spending 85 million on a new set is disgusting. Why didn’t the BBC get outside investors to finance it?
Thats an objective opinion and ive reiterated why I think thats nonsense my post