Colorful Pro Choice Rally at the Eureka Courthouse Interrupted by Arrest of Allegedly Intoxicated Heckler
A number of speakers reiterated their support for a woman’s right to choose. A live band played cheery music while many in attendance carried signs and others twirled colorful streamers while dancing.
Rabbi Naomi Steinberg with Clergy for Choice said her organization was at the event because she considered it “a sacred duty” to be there.
She explained, “[W]hen abortion was established as a right many decades ago, religious leaders were at the forefront of the earlier Pro Choice movement because they recognized the gross injustice that happens when people are forced to follow through on pregnancies that they cannot accommodate in their lives.”
She went on to state that it is a basic human right to make that decision.”
Eric Kirk, a local attorney who was there to support reproductive choice, said that the expected ruling from the Supreme Court later this “will not outlaw abortion nationally.” But, he said, states could choose to outlaw it. He noted that a number of states will likely have laws ready to pass–some perhaps forbidding abortion even right after conception. He noted that California which has laws protecting reproductive rights could become a mecca for women seeking abortion.
As the speeches ended about 2:30 p.m., an apparently intoxicated man began attempting to interact with rally goers, police, and our reporter, Ryan Hutson, who began filming him when he raised his arms in front of her camera and asked if he “could get a smile.”
He then continued towards a group of Eureka Police officers who appear to encourage him to move along. He returns to Hutson and begins urging her to pull down her mask and smile at him. She refuses. “He asked me to smile and take my mask off,” Hutson described to us. “I told him no I would not, and told him ‘move it along’.”
At first he appears ready to leave and heads to his white vehicle. But then he heads towards a woman holding a sign with a coat hanger (symbolic of dangerous back room abortions often self performed and too frequently deadly) with the words “NEVER GO BACK” written on it. He appears to reach out as if to touch or grab it or her but rethinks his actions as he looks in the direction of either the camera or the officers. He then heads towards the officers mocking the sign and says no one has used one to perform an abortion “in fucking fifty years.” (It is worth noting that a Tennessee woman was arrested and charged with attempted murder for trying to use a wire hanger to self abort in 2015. She spent over a year in jail and pled guilty to “attempted procurement of a miscarriage.”)
He returns to stare with arms folded at the sign holders. “The gentleman appears seems to be fixated on the sign with the hanger,” says Hutson worriedly on the video.
At this point the man saunters towards her. “Are you still videotaping me?” he asks.
“Yes, I am,” she responds.
Below the view of the camera, Hutson said he began to grab her camera utility bag full of equipment. “As soon as he grabbed it,” she told us. “[Eureka Police officers] were on top of him…with hands behind his back…arresting him.”
He claims not to “have touched anybody” as the officers put handcuffs on him, but he seems oddly unsurprised that he is being arrested.
One officer then opens the man’s car door. Almost immediately, he pulls an empty bottle of what appears to be Smirnoff Vodka out of the pocket in the driver’s side door as a horn from the band in the distance dropped a few slow, deep notes.
“I can’t tell if he just drunkenly showed up to pick a fight with anybody…didn’t matter who…or if he particularly showed up to pick a fight because of the protest,” Hutson told us. “[H]e definitely had a problem with the particular protest sign and honed in on that woman but also then turned his attention towards me so belligerent…although I do not really know his political motives.”
Below is live video covering most of the speeches at the rally:
Another shot from yesterday’s event.
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I’m glad they hauled the guy away. He was acting creepy.
It was great to see ole Dave out there enjoying the beautiful weather
He was obviously planted there to help make the case against out-of-control procreation.
He was kicked out of a restaurant in old Town that I was eating lunch at for being unruly and intoxicated, glad he was arrested before harming anyone. And it was a vodka beverage that they refused to serve him.
Anyone know who he is?
Bob.
I’m saying it here and now, Ricky Gervais SHOULD host the damn Oscars this year. I mean come on, he nailed it at the Golden Globes.
I feel it is not in the power of the Federal Government to make such a decision at all. The federal government is not there to govern peoples personal lives.
I agree, it should be State’s Rights to decide whether to allow abortions. Everyone will still have ready access to an abortion across a nearby state line.
That is easy for the wealthy, penalizes the poor. States should not be in the business of limiting human rights. If 51% of citizens in some southern state vote to bring back slavery, are we still cool with “state’s rights”?
Your right….we should not limit the rights of unborn humans.
Keyword being unborn. What’s next gun’s rights activists fighting for the right to arm fetuses??
Let’s start with arming the homeless and the Transgendered folk. They need it most.
Do you eat chicken eggs?
The constitution also bans slavery. Is it unconstitutional to abort a fetus that the mother didn’t want to be born into slavery?
Your argument is Swiss cheese as shit.
And your’s is no better, also makes no sense
We haven’t done “born into slavery” in a hundred years
As soon as you And John get pregnant we can talk about your abortion beliefs.
I agree and same for the jab
The equal protection clause of the Constitution seems to be relevant. Because anti-abortion laws disproportionately discriminate against women and their right to appropriate medical care, the Federal government has a responsibility to provide access regardless of state of residence. When you layer on the overwhelming religious influence in pushing anti-abortion laws, the First Amendment also seems relevant.
Same with the BS “Real ID” nonsense. Women have extra hurdles and paperwork if you took a spouses last name, getting married. The Real ID is harder to pull off than a passport. I’ve had DMV personal tell me mail to me from DMV didn’t count, for their weird intricate, might-work-if-you-lived-5- min-from-DMV system.
The 10th Amendment to the Constitution makes it pretty clear that the Federal Government should have no voice in this.
Stop using abortion for birth control. It’s murder. Have you seen an ultrasound picture of a tiny defenseless human??? Get your tubes tied!
Stop imposing your opinion on other people. Respect individual rights.
Like not getting vaccinated?
Stop advocating for child sacrifice
You need to look at the definition of sacrifice. Also a fetus is not a child.
So if aa alleged killer shoots a lady who is 6 months pregnant and both baby and mom die, why does the accused get charged with murder of two individuals, mom and unborn baby. Hmmmm, stumped huh. Because you know you sound crazy if you suggest that only the killing of the mom is murder, not the unborn baby, ehhhm I mean fetus according to you.
Why? Because of a bad law demanded by fetus freaks.
Good point, can’t be a legal human in some instances and not all
Because religious people who believe in spirits made the laws?
Um.. yes it is a child.
Why does our language differentiate between a fetus and a child?
Why have I never seen someone’s newborn and said wow what a cute fetus?
Not in the English language it isnt.
Would you murder your born child?
So why sacrifice your unborn child?
Its all satanic in nature, wake up.
Born child is redundant, all children are born. I don”t commit sacrifices. You might as well reference santa clause while your at it.
Ok Big(boy)Rick. Unless that’s a lesbian handle, then I guess it’s partly up to you to keep your BigRick in your pants. I’m hoping, that you complement your feelings by being able to tolerate a condom, or at least have savings to put towards 18-20 years of feeding, and housing. Nobody has an abortion with a light heart. It is always a tribulation. If you want to end abortion, then set up society to support raising children, and give moms options. If a mom wasn’t staring down the barrel of 20 plus years of poverty for her and her child, maybe abortion wouldn’t be considered. Try providing dependable cheap childcare so she could work, or go to school. Free education so she feels her child can get somewhere. I can hear you crying already! Too expensive? How important is it to you to beat Satan!?
LOLWHUT?
As with vaccinations, my body my choice.
Sad how so many so called liberals will champion a woman’s choice to abortion and then back vaccine mandates.
The liberals opened this can of worms when they decided to back vaccine mandates. Stand on principles!
Vaccine mandates are to help get us out of this worldwide financial/social shitshow we have been in for the last few years. Take one for the team. It’s working in most normal countries just fine. Look at Spain.
Abortion- most people think it’s a woman’s right to make that choice, I agree. There are too many unwanted /unhappy people out there anyway.
Nice try linking two unrelated issues. You lack critical thinking ability if you believe your argument.
The financial shitshow is caused by corrupt liberals spending our money like water. And sabotaging our industries We cant log the forest. But the liberal hippie forest service can burn it to ash. No oil pipeline. But we can beg our enemies to pump more for us???? Guess what dizzy joe. It still makes greenhouse gas. If we buy it rather than produce our own. Or get it from canada
I’m not trying to solve every problem in the world. Pay attention, focus on the topic at hand.
Vaccines have always been mandatory…. get over yourself…
Oh but if someone doesn’t want the untested covid vaccine then that’s different. Lol
Have you seen an ultrasound of a baby bird, or a salamander? Striking resemblance.
Where’s the point where the dissimilarities are sufficient to call it a human life? 13 weeks?
A human life or a human being? A sample of cheek cells is alive.
If you don’t want or need an abortion, don’t have one performed.
Simple.
Otherwise it is none of your or the government’s business.
If you don’t have a criminal breaking into your home, you don’t need to kill him. If you do have a criminal breaking into your house and you kill him, it shouldn’t be the government’s business either. But, it seems to “become” the business of the government, the neighbors, the nosey journalists, lawyers, cops, and every other Tom, Dick and Harry. Killing a violent criminal is much less criminal than killing an unborn who has never hurt anyone. Yet, abortion was proclaimed legal by a group of supreme court justices with absolutely no morals. Maybe they should legalize the murder of all violent criminals. That would at least make sense.
Then get a vasectomy, it takes two.
This. I am always amazed that somehow the male part of the equation in responsible birth control is not mentioned.
Ultrasound images have no bearing on moral issues. Chop your nuts off!
Don’t believe the agenda behind the great abortion deception! Honor life.
Maybe try caring after the fetus becomes a child…. how many children are.out there suffering and people like you don’t give a shit…. like I said stfu with your ignorance
Lol they aren’t going to overturn roe vs wade.
California will always have accessible, no-questions-asked, abortions for all.
I hope they don’t overturn it, in fact they should bolster it with a retroactive clause.
Oh, dear. Were all five of them okay?
Grief counseling was available.
Beautiful and inspiring gathering!
I just fell asleep Friday, waiting for the County Child Support office to open after lunch. Lil Drinky-poo later and I wake up to this!? What’s going on? What DAY is it?
🕯🌳Its a freedom of choice. 🖖🖖
Not to mention, NO Government’s damned business!!!
Not for the baby it isn’t.
Pregnant women say there are having a baby, not I’m I’m pregnant with a glob.
And sane people rejoice and have a shower, not plan a funeral in a bucket.
What if having a baby kills the mother?
The baby is conceived by rape?
Do you you know anybody who has actually had one? It’s super traumatic and life changing. The whole fantasy of women just fucking as much as possible and then killing babies with no responsibility involved says sooo much about how you folks view the world/women and it doesn’t make you look good at all.
Which is funny because you folks are usually wringing your hands about the “lack of morals these days”.
Cognitive dissonance much?
“Do you know anybody who has actually had one?”
Me, I’ve had 2 children. And I know more women that have them than I can count.
I know a dozen or so who’ve had abortions also.
None were raped nor were their lives in danger.
” how you folks view the world/women and it doesn’t make you look good at all”
You have no idea how I view the world or women, but I assure you it’s not about “looks”.
They are going to have a baby, it starts out as a “blob”. They don’t teach this in Sunday school biology class?
No. It’s a zygote. A cluster of cells, not a “blob.” YOU may want to revisit high school biology with that plank in your eye.
He didn’t get a dui though. He’s out by now, CA driver license intact, no tow charge or impound fee. And he definitely knew one of those cops.
Re comments on the moral failing of getting an abortion…here’s a question for you: would you want to be born and live a life where you weren’t wanted, where there wasn’t enough food or love for you, where your mom or dad “had a hole in their arm where all the money went,” when you could have, instead, gotten a free and painless trip to heaven?
The answer is “no.”
So look inside yourself and see if you can determine what’s the real motive in whoever has been funding all this rhetoric to take away this right.
What about, “Oh but I’m a man, and my ex girlfriend aborted our baby.”
Guess what, If you and she aren’t surely and truly on the same page about children then you need to be damned sure you have your condom on, know her cycle, put the barrier in her womb yourself, etc. That’s the appropriate remedy for that problem, not limiting the rights of half the population. And forcing unwanted children to be born and live entire lives of misery.
Without getting into the politics of the issue, why are people protesting in Humboldt? Do you really think it will influence the supreme court?
I have no problem with people exercising their 1st amendment rights but it seems like these days people protest just to protest. You see the same people out there every time no matter what the issue.
Keep it classy and non violent folks. Look at Portland as an example of what protesting can turn into. Lets not start burning and looting in the name of a cause. (any cause)
State’s rights means California will always have legal abortions regardless of Roe
Once again I am not commenting on pro life vs abortion rights. It has to do with the idea that many people protest for the sake of protesting and how it can morph into a violent confrontation like Portland. Some people thrive on confrontation, drama and problems. Lets keep away from the looting, burning and assaults that have become all to common with “peaceful protests” in many places these days.
🕯🌳Some people just like the spotlight. 🖖🖖
Oh willie… are your bottle, tree and trek emoji a spotlight of sort?
It is important that women across the country know that they have support.
The scotus has never before now made a decision to nullify a civil right that has been established. This is a horrible turn of events. In my opinion.
Or it is the unalienable constitutional right of citizens to protest laws that a minority of mainly religious groups attempt to impose upon the majority of citizens. In other words Democracy.
It was an anniversary (the 49th, I believe) of one of the most consequential legal decisions in US history. It has benefitted many people in huge ways. (Yes, I know. Some will say the opposite. That’s fine, I understand they have a different point of view). Besides the very relevant political issue that it is, the anniversary, which may be the last, is an important occasion to commemorate.
Don’t take it for granted! We must stay vigilant!
It has to start somewhere. While I may be fully against what a group was protesting for, I would gladly protect any one of them with my own life, for actively taking part in our Democratic process, over some lazy all bark no bite internet armchair politician any day. We need less vets storming buildings, and more protecting our fundamental rights at home.
My body, my choice. Right?
Choice to be irresponsible?? Really.. should we offer abortion to anyone who doesn’t protect themselves? I think it’s ridiculous! Wise up and use the FREE birth controll that’s available to everyone. No excuses.
Abortion as birth control is a moral abomination.
Compare numbers of abortions annually versus deaths with covid.
Lets see some numbers on all this “abortion as birth control” BS.
Let your fingers do the walking.
If you think people use abortion as birth control…wow…just wow.
If you think that they don’t, right back atcha.
🤔🧐I may be in the minority, Ullr Rover, but I totally agree with you.👍
If you don’t want or need an abortion, don’t have one performed.
Simple.
Otherwise it is none of your or the government’s business.
So you want the government to exert authority over your medical choices? Funny how all the anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers are also so anti-choice. Seems…hypocritical.
Another idiot
There is no method of birth control short of sterilizaton that is 100% effective.
My mom was on the pill when she got pregnant with me. She was being responsible. Things happen. Thankfully she took it as a sign that I was meant to be since I was conceived while she was on the pill and she chose to have me. Not everyone that gets pregnant on accident is irresponsible. I’m still pro choice.
It happens but it’s rare, abortions are not rare.
You could say they are a pandemic.
You clearly don’t understand what a pandemic is.
Abortions in the US are at their lowest rate since they began tracking them in 1973.
🤔🧐So they are endemic?🤦♂️
lol another term you dont understand.
Here’s some terms I understand,
It’s just this one time, it won’t happen to me.
If I get pregnant, he will marry me.
Let’s go get drunk, everyone’s going to be there.
I’m busy today, I’ll get my pills tomorrow.
Oh well, I’ll worry about it later.
Oh shit, now what am I going to do. I just wanna have fun, finish school, etc.
Which is over 600,000 annually.
Hmm… Is it possible to think about 600,000 children being born without means? 600,000 families? Are you arguing to expand Social Welfare programs? Get 600,000 new desks ready for kindergarten. That’s a lot of souls to adopt.
Maybe, schools and parents could teach more about responsibility and real sex ed. and less about PC pronouns.
Mothers and Fathers, do your job.
Take time to teach your children well.
🤔🧐 Another that I totally agree with.👍
The people who have endless excuses for why they can’t ( or didn’t ) use birth control are the same ones who won’t except any excuse for not getting jabbed.
Remember, Planned Parenthood supplies birth control, as well as cancer and std screenings! Even the best birth control sometimes fails though.
That’s right. So long as your choice doesn’t have profound negative impact on other human beings. And of course human beings are mind not meat, and nothing that we associate as a human mind is developed in early pregnancy.
I’ve met many an adult without any semblance of a mind.
I know a few 20 through 60 year olds that i don’t think anyone would mind being aborted.
Like the drunken lout complaining about the picture of the hanger – Never Go Back sign. Hope you see the connection to the relevance of your comment.
That is funny, but no you haven’t.
Soylent green puts the mind over meat matter to rest. Why does the unborn when being aborted show pain and attempt to get away from the giant tweezers? Seems sentient to me since it knows it is going to get ripped out of its comfort zone. Why if someone intentionally shoots a pregnant dog do the same pro choice folks flip out and call the alleged dog killer a horrible human scum who killed a pregnant mom dog and her unborn puppies? Can’t answer because there is no answers, is there. Make abortion rare and allowed for when necessary for the health of the mother and in cases of rape, not common.
“Soylent green puts the mind over meat matter to rest.”
How so?
Livings things respond to stimuli. To suggest a fetus can conceive of such things is pure ignorance. Counter to everything we know about human neurology.
Yeah I cant respond to the imaginary story you made up, congrats.
Wolves eat puppies when times are tough. I think you are making a good argument to massively invigorate America’s Social Safety Net.
Under CA law if a drunk driver hits a pregnate woman in a car and she looses the baby the drunk can be charged with murder.
If a guy assults a pregnate woman and she looses the baby it is murder.
Do you think that is murder? By your logic they should not be charged for the death of the fetus and everyone convicted of that should have their record cleard and let out of prison.
You can not have it both ways. It is either a life or it is not. Pick one.
👍
🤔🧐 I’ll second that.👍
If it’s viable, it’s murder. Totally different thing.
I think that we have many forms of murder charges, as well as manslaughter in this nation, and that is appropriate.
There should be a unique charge for the crime you describe.
Not all instances of killing are murder.
You can’t find science or logic in emotional jury responses. Revenge emotions take people to weird places. That kid just got a life sentence in CO for showing up to work, and driving equipment provided to him by his employer, and perhaps not being able to read. Where is the sentence for the trucking company owner, who let him drive without enough training or experience? Should we have split the sentence up amongst everyone who wanted the PVC pipe cargo?
Except with vaccinations?
Choice for abortion but no choice of vaccine?
Careful!
Espousing that revolutionary concept might overload some fragile minds.
Drunk in public with an open container of alcohol in the vehicle? Right in front of the Courthouse? Wow!
White BMW X5, limo tinted windows, illegally tinted taillamps, possibly tinted windshield, which is illegal. The driver’s side window is rolled down, but I wouldn’t doubt it was tinted too, also illegal. Not very smart!
Who paid for this garbage? 😂
Cell division is the most fundamental life process so clearly life begins at conception and abortion takes a life. On the other hand, unwanted and unloved babies tend to grow up to be the criminals preying on our society. So is abortion preemptive execution of future criminals?
A lot of bad seed roaming around.
https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/blog/unwanted-sterilization-and-eugenics-programs-in-the-united-states/
Coerced sterilization is a shameful part of America’s history, and one doesn’t have to go too far back to find examples of it. Used as a means of controlling “undesirable” populations – immigrants, people of color, poor people, unmarried mothers, the disabled, the mentally ill – federally-funded sterilization programs took place in 32 states throughout the 20th century. Driven by prejudiced notions of science and social control, these programs informed policies on immigration and segregation.
As historian William Deverell explains in a piece discussing the “Asexualization Acts” that led to the sterilization of more than 20,000 California men and women,“If you are sterilizing someone, you are saying, if not to them directly, ‘Your possible progeny are inassimilable, and we choose not to deal with that.’”
According to Andrea Estrada at UC Santa Barbara, forced sterilization was particularly rampant in California (the state’s eugenics program even inspired the Nazis):
“There is today one state,” wrote Hitler, “in which at least weak beginnings toward a better conception [of citizenship] are noticeable. Of course, it is not our model German Republic, but the United States.” (from The L.A. Times)
So does this mean you are opposed to cancer treatment? After all, it’s just some cells dividing inside a human body, that must mean they are alive. Right?
How many cancer cells does it take to create Mozart?
It only take 2 cells to eventully create a Mozart, so failing to combine every sperm and egg possible must be murder in your view.
On the other hand lets say you have 5 people worth of living cells growing in a lab, that’s 5 humans right?
I just pulled 2 cells from my nostrils. I’ll see what happens and get back to you.
Cell divison is not “the most fundamental life process”. That’s just plain dumb. Digestion and other metabolic/chemical process are obviously more basal.
You could use your flawed logic to argue that the destruction of sperm and egg are murder.
Yep
Amen brother. Matter of fact, we’re at a stage of medical technology where we can modify the male’s abdomen to allow them to carry a fertilized egg to gestation. How many male Pro-lifers will sign up for this wonderful opportunity?
No we are not. “to gestation”?
Each state should decide for themselves by either legislatures or direct election what their specific policy should be re: abortion. This decision should not be made by judges and should not be made at the National level.
The best way to prevent national dictatorship in USA is to decentralize power by states clawing back their constitutionally defined power from the federal govt.
States should not be in the business of deciding CONSTITUTIONAL rights. ROE established a woman’s RIGHT to privacy in medical decisions.
Why should states be able to limit human rights? Should states also be able to outlaw homosexuality or legalize racism?
Or reinstate slavery…
Slavery has never went away in human history. Eventually the slave owners will become the slaves. The new slave owners will begin to enact revenge and retribution against former slave owners. Those slaves will in turn over throw those slave owners and the cycle goes on and on and on.
My family arrived from Ireland on the boats, and we were treated just as bad as the Native Africans already there. People should read history books, and their Bibles more thouroughly.
Or mandatory vaccines
We have laws that state it is against the law to kill another human being. Even if the murder is being selfish, because it will be changing their life style. If roe vs wade makes murder legal, then I guess it is now legal to take another human beings life.😪 Right of privacy??? Really? A person,(woman) has the right to kill and keep it private?!!! So go ahead and murder an innocent life, just don’t tell anyone and it makes it ok??!! I pray for your ignorance
If we don’t have full control over our reproduction then we are not free. Pro-life should really be called anti freedom. Forcing women to have babies while constantly advocating less services for health and welfare certainly isn’t pro-life. They just want to control us as is evident by looking at how much they care about the lives of the already born.
Someone must have cared, or you ( generally ) wouldn’t be here.
They’re watching football.
Here’s the other protest, live
LIVE: Anti-vaccine mandate opponents march in Washington
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmCF6mNEF58&ab_channel=Reuters
You’re welcome
Isn’t it wonderful that there are organizations that will take care of an inconvenience called pregnancy ? Adopt it or kill it.
As a firm believer of the middle ground. Im working hard on NOT telling others what to do, but instead lead by example. Imho if more humans took this approach to life, well….there would be a lot less strife. But that’s just like. My opinion man.
If someone aborts a child, that’s their choice, and it’s their consciousness.
When they expect people who find it goes against their conscience to help pay for it, and agree with it, That goes too far.
It becomes forced complicity.
I agree. However I would characterize pro life as a religious based stance. And the amount of Forced complicity and people paying for said religous based complicity far far faaaaaar like in another galaxy far away far than this abortion issue is causing. How about you stop judging others less be judged yourself, and each of us work on our own back yards first.
Noticed a Rabbi supporting abortion rights. That was an eye opener. Uber reformed Judaism.
Huh?
Double agent?
The foreskin can be removed whether the child is born naturally or murdered in the mother’s womb. Circumcision or infanticide, either are barbaric practices. I guess the presence of a rabbi shows their support for barbarism.
Getting vaxxed is not religious based, and also forced complicity to those who are apprehensive about a new biotech.
It’s also a lifelong decision that can’t be reversed.
That has anything to do with this..how?
Well I learned one thing from this, legendary Northcoast newsman, Dave Silverbrand is still around, and that is a good thing. Report on you legend, report on!
The Pro-Procrastination Protest is tomorrow. Be there . . . tomorrow.
🤔🧐I could get totally behind that, so, maybe next time…😴💤
Why is bacteria on Mars considered “proof of life” but a human heartbeat in the womb on Earth isn’t?
Why is bacteria considered “proof of life” on Mars but a human heartbeat in the womb isn’t on Earth?
Because it’s not wanted and an inconvenience.
I know people that are not wanted and inconvenient but it’s no excuse for anyone to murder them…
I know people that are not wanted and an inconvenience but it’s no reason to murder them…
Is there an echo on here?
Somehow we developed an echo in the the ether…
🤔🧐👍
You poop out a universe of bacteria every morning. And maybe in the afternoon, again, or perhaps, as the singular event of the day, halfway through a meal at the food court….
Welcome to your universe at the food court…
Mr. Kirk is right. The Constitution is silent about abortion and Congress has passed no federal legislation one way or the other. According to the Tenth amendment, that leaves it for the states to decide.
Plenty of birth control out on the market to stop unwanted births from happening. Abortion is just killing the beginning of a human life. Also, men can get vascetomies. Don’t dump the whole idea on a woman to choose. I think we all know it takes two!
Then should “two” get a say on aborting the beginning of human life?
👍
Agreed.
For those who fail to grasp the obvious, no one wants to have an abortion if they could avoid it. But each year there are numerous cases of birth control failure, of accidents or carelessness, of rape or incest, of congenital problems, that make an abortion the safest and most medically effective treatment.
Denying women access to safe and effective medical treatment on the basis of religious beliefs is an appalling example of discriminatory law.
If you really want to dramatically reduce abortions, support free access to birth control, sex education in schools, over-the-counter access to “morning after” pills, and general support for those who choose to become mothers, particularly among the poorest of us.
Instead I consistently see the same “pro-life” people adamantly against all of those things. That just makes it clear this is about religious stereotypes being enforced on women for the sake of control, nothing more.
So, are you claiming that only the religious care about a forming life?
For control?
No atheists care?
No potential fathers that might want to raise their child?
No one that might want to adopt a child?
Sure is easy to lump people into a group you (generally) don’t like.
No, what I’m stating is that pretty much the entire anti-abortion movement is driven by the evangelical Christians who needed a cause to unify behind. It’s been the bellwether issue for them and has brought in similarly focused groups (e.g. the Catholic church).
It’s now been taken up by the Republicans as a way to pander to that voter group and as a signal for them to unify behind. That’s despite 36% of Republicans (and 76% of Democrats) believing that access to abortion should be legal.
Your hate for people of faith is glaring, but did you notice the article in reference mentions people of faith so prominently?
And you’re overlooking the fact that most taxpayers and wage earners are ambivalent at best about whether some kook kills her kid. Just do not use our tax dollars to pay for it. Pay for your own infanticide. And if you do decide to keep an unwanted fetus, raise it yourself.
End Welfare Now!
There’s a rallying cry that will surely have people choosing sides…
I don’t hate people of faith. I simply loathe people trying to force their faith onto others, which is what the evangelicals are trying to do with this issue.
All the Single BrUHs in the house who want to adopt say “YEA-UH!”
Absolutely 💯!
No one is contesting an abortion for rape, incest or the health of the mother. We already provide access for free access to birth control, sex education in schools, over-the-counter access to “morning after” pills, and general support for those who choose to become mothers, particularly among the poorest of us.
Okay, that simply isn’t even generally true and it’s especially not true in the states currently trying to restrict access to abortion.
Tim this pertains to the discussion in Eureka and how it relates to California, not blue states…What I posted is absolutely correct…I believe in state’s rights.
Except the protest was about Roe v. Wade, which is a national issue. If it weren’t for other states trying to ban access to abortion without exception, there wouldn’t be much of a reason to protest about it. And if you think the anti-abortion groups wouldn’t push for national prohibitions on it, which they will if Roe v. Wade is overturned and Republicans take back Congress, you are being myopic.
Abortion will always be legal in California and blue states. It’s called state’s rights. I’m not worried about all the possibilities of what could happen in other states or if another party is elected in the future. You’re the myopic one here, with a paranoid political bias…
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Religious women have abortions, too. And many faiths affirm abortion rights.
https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEOXrDIRUlqAHvXnww0UnIfIqGQgEKhAIACoHCAowvIaCCzDnxf4CMN6B8gU?uo=CAUiANIBAA&hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen
Lots of abortions in China because they prefer boys to girls.
And I wouldn’t consider them a religious nation.
China is a country with a great diversity of religious beliefs. The main religions are Buddhism, Taoism, Islam, Catholicism and Protestantism. Citizens of China may freely choose and express their religious beliefs, and make clear their religious affiliations.
Read the article….
Where did you obtain your information about religious freedoms in Communist China as they’re cracking down on religion…
China: Religious Freedom Dying under Communist Rule …
editorials.voa.gov › a › new-religion-law-goes-intoNew Religion Law Goes into Effect in China
Actually Xi has declared it illegal to worship anyone but him, he has also take the title of The Great Helmsman, nobody has taken that title since Mao. What a wonderful guy, you should go visit and give us a first hand account, just be very careful about what you say while you’re there.
There is NO reason for abortion anymore. READ me out:
We have birth control pills, IUDs, birth control implants/shots, condoms, morning after pills, etc.
If you need an abortion, you are just lazy.
Besides, the money would be better spent curing cancer; or, Alzheimer’s.
Just my honest opinion.
Spot on. Nemo…
As a guy, I’m guessing.
Negative. Just a beautiful girl with a BRAIN.
Having been a fetus myself once, I am sympathetic to their cause. The most hypocritical part of the argument is that everyone having it has already been born. I think there needs to be a real discussion about what constitutes life. Is it cell division? Brain activity? Ability to grow, move, and function? These things then need to hold true across all stages of “life.” Maybe people will be a little more careful about how it is defined. Is it ability to survive on ones own? What about people hooked up to machines or oxygen then? Or ones with heart issues and dementia? If you need a pill everyday to keep your heart beating but are so brain dead that you need a caregiver to give you said pill, isn’t that person less “alive” than the fetus that’s about to be born and develop into a functioning human? I think this tough conversation should’ve been had before any abortion law, pro or against, was ever passed. Let’s have it now. What do y’all think?
What’s “it” they’re having? Sex?
Read the sentence again. “It” refers to the argument. Usually one uses it to avoid repetition of the same word in a sentence. The argument is about abortion. [edit]
What about viable sperm, spent in ways that are well, destructive, to those potential human lives that the sperm can create? Should we legislate that? How would you feel if we tried to legislate where your viable, healthy sperm goes?
The morning after pill stops contraception from taking place, it is considered a form of abortion. It is used a lot in rape cases for women in the ER after an assault.
It needs to be used within a certain window after unprotected sex/rape. No one wants to have to get an abortion. It is not in any way a lazy form of birth control, like some commenters have stated. It is painful physically and emotionally, on so many levels, that I don’t think any man could understand.
Hopefully the men commenting here who seem to have a very strong objection to abortion are the men who happily, every damn time, put a condom on when they engage in sexual activity. Unless they’re trying to get a willing woman pregnant.
My unwanted sperm usually circles the toilet. Much safer and sanitary that way. Thank you for asking though. I could also donate it to a sperm bank of you think that is a better use? Did you need some? Is that the question? Where is the response to the debate topic of what constitutes life? Try to stay on topic please. Taking life is murder and therefore illegal, so where does it begin? I believe a few commenters brought up pretty good points about if a pregnant woman is murdered the murderer is charged with a double homicide. Seems like a precedent has already been established to me. I like laws that don’t conflict with each other and actually make sense for clarity sake.
Also if contraception is prevented from taking place, then how is that abortion? Just because there is an egg present and someone blasts some semen up there, doesn’t mean the female will get pregnant. Some people’s semen don’t swim too well.
Those Precious Bodily Fluids…lol
https://youtu.be/N1KvgtEnABY
Welcome to Dumboldt County USA.
Yall can virtue signal for whatever side you want but the fact remains: the spark of life occurs the moment an egg is penetrated by sperm.
https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-04-26/human-eggs-emit-zinc-sparks-at-moment-of-fertilization
Trust the science!
Quit virtue signaling for the Big Gay Agenda LargeRich-ard. Everyone knows gay sex is the only way to avoid pregnancy. It’s Awsome you are trying abstinence, but it doesn’t work well for most.