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Who's left Sky for Freesat? Any regrets?

simondsUU933wsimondsUU933w Posts: 4,176
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Long time (20yrs+!) Sky customer - currently have Sky Q. Been unhappy for a while about how much I'm paying each month.

Like many people I'm finding myself watching less and less 'live' stuff and just watching 'recorded' and 'on demand' stuff.

Looking at the new Freesat recordable 4K TV Box I'm trying to work out why I'm going to lose by ditching Sky altogether?

I main watch terrestrial channels and do like some stuff on Sky Atlantic which I'd guess I'd lose. I don't want any cinema or sport other than Sky F1 which again I assume I'd lose.

Other than that I should be able to switch from paying £50+ a month to nothing right?

Any tips hugely appreciated.
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    ClemClem Posts: 1,539
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    edited 15/01/22 - 18:36 #2
    NowTV with the Boost pass will give you full HD + 5.1 audio, and access to the stuff that appears on Sky Atlantic. £11.99/month, from memory. With that and a Freesat box you’re pretty much covered unless there’s a specific channel on Sky that doesn’t appear on NowTV. You’ll also lose access to the HD versions on ITV2/3/4, More4, E4 & Film4.
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    MK65ManMK65Man Posts: 2,505
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    As @Clem says, NowTV should cover your requirements for Sky Atlantic and F1. However, if you are not desperate to maintain continuous access to Sky channels you can save yourself a considerable amount of money compared to the advertised prices.

    For example, I currently have Sky Sports for £20 per month and Boost for £2/month until May. The normal prices are £33.99 and £5 per month respectively, and I have recently finished 6 months of Entertainment at £5 per month compared with the regular price of £9.99

    In order to get these discounts though, you have to cancel - you normally get a much better retention offer, either when cancelling, or soon after your subscription ends. You just have to be prepared to do without the Sky channels if they don't offer you a price that is acceptable to you.
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    The Unknown OneThe Unknown One Posts: 21,149
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    We churned off Sky years ago, replacing it with Freesat and Now TV. It took about six months for the cost of the Freesat and Now TV boxes to be off-set by the money we were no longer paying Sky, but since then we've saved about £400 a year.

    As noted Now TV is useful for channels we did watch like Sky Atlantic, although over time we've become less frequent subscribers to that as Netflix and Disney+ have provided the entertainment we want.

    I don't think there's any major downside to leaving Sky really, unless you've fanatical about a show on a channel you then won't receive. Off the top of my head, the most high profile channels that aren't on Freesat or available via Now TV are Discovery, Alibi or W. If you can live without them, you'll be fine.

    I'd say go for it. If you find it's really not working for you, you can always return to Sky on a new customer deal, but I think you'll find Fressat supplemented by Now TV works quite well.
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    ds_readerds_reader Posts: 10,353
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    Discovery's and Eurosport's channels can be accessed via Discovery+ for £29.99 for 12 months.
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    NewandimprovedNewandimproved Posts: 22
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    ds_reader wrote: »
    Discovery's and Eurosport's channels can be accessed via Discovery+ for £29.99 for 12 months.

    Whoah - thanks for that - didn't know it was 50% off - signed up for the year :smile:
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    philenglandphilengland Posts: 8,178
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    I'm not sure what I want to do. There's things I enjoy about Sky, the 4k content on demand, the live F1 and cricket on Sky Sports.

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    chiefgchiefg Posts: 1,301
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    I very recently, as in 3 weeks ago, left Sky and got a Freesat box, and I had been a Sky customer for 21 years (11 years as the account holder).

    I do miss a lot about Sky, but to me, it just became less and less worth paying for over the years. I have got Now TV Entertainment, which I may just keep all the time, but might cancel it for a month every so often. I have not re-subscribed to Netflix or Disney+ yet (had them through Sky) but I am sure I will at some point, even if just for a month. And I might get Britbox for a month or Amazon Prime for a month here and there. With All4, UKTVPlay, I Player, ITV On Demand all easily available, I don't have any regrets about what I have access to now.

    At this stage, I certainly don't regret my decision.
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    kempshottkempshott Posts: 1,883
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    I've just cancelled Sky after 20 years or so and gone Freesat. I've just had enough of the haggling over price every 18 months, and knowing whatever discounts you end up with, loads of people will be paying less.

    I might reconsider if they did away with the current model and had reasonable, fixed rates with no dodgy deals and discounts. That seems to work for Netflix and Prime.

    ps Sky would need to improve Customer Service access too before I'd consider coming back.
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    kempshottkempshott Posts: 1,883
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    edited 17/01/22 - 11:21 #10
    pps also the dreadful subtitling on Sky Q was another factor; Mrs K needs them; there are none on UHD, and the text is far too big and obtrusive on HD/SD.
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    ds_readerds_reader Posts: 10,353
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    It is easy to avoid the Sky haggling - cancel by email - Sky then call you to confirm and ask why you are leaving and implement your request!
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    GwylfaGwylfa Posts: 799
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    We had been Sky customers since 1991 with a break of a couple of years 1994/5. Bought a Freesat 4K box early last year and cancelled Sky. As we are neither Film or Sports viewers it was ridiculous paying out ( even discounted) to Sky. Sky have ( of course ) tried to tempt us back with various offers ( £19 instead of £32 and £14 instead of £26) but it is not worth paying anything for what we watch ( which is mostly free to air). Still have Sky Arts and Sky News( although not HD) as well as 2oo other channels! I did find the Sky box more convenient as it was possible to download a programme to watch later but with Freesat you have to watch it there and then... but easily livable with! There is also the option to subscribe to Netflix and also watch via various apps including youTube!
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    RichardcoulterRichardcoulter Posts: 30,357
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    edited 22/01/22 - 02:43 #13
    chiefg wrote: »
    I very recently, as in 3 weeks ago, left Sky and got a Freesat box, and I had been a Sky customer for 21 years (11 years as the account holder).

    I do miss a lot about Sky, but to me, it just became less and less worth paying for over the years. I have got Now TV Entertainment, which I may just keep all the time, but might cancel it for a month every so often. I have not re-subscribed to Netflix or Disney+ yet (had them through Sky) but I am sure I will at some point, even if just for a month. And I might get Britbox for a month or Amazon Prime for a month here and there. With All4, UKTVPlay, I Player, ITV On Demand all easily available, I don't have any regrets about what I have access to now.

    At this stage, I certainly don't regret my decision.

    I wouldn't keep Now TV all the time at £11.99 a month. If you keep cancelling with the reason that you can't afford it, there are many deals to be had.

    My best offers have been a further free two weeks and £1 a month.

    More info here:

    https://forums.digitalspy.com/discussion/2325319/now-tv-retention-offers#latest
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    chiefgchiefg Posts: 1,301
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    edited 24/01/22 - 09:30 #14
    When I say keep it all the time, I do mean cancelling it and getting an offer to stay and taking that offer. I jut mean, "always" having it, as opposed to BritBox for example, which I might just get for 1 month, then cancel it and not get it again for a year.
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    soulboy77soulboy77 Posts: 24,492
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    edited 07/02/22 - 12:19 #15
    If you think that generally over 90% of programmes that people watch on Sky are FTA channels (BARB data), then what you are really paying for are the few encrypted channels that you actually watch.

    Everyone has to make their own value for money judgement but to me it’s just not worth It and I can easily live without those few encrypted channels and save a few bob!
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    RichardcoulterRichardcoulter Posts: 30,357
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    soulboy77 wrote: »
    If you think that generally over 90% of programmes that people watch on Sky are FTA channels (BARB data), then what you are really paying for are the few encrypted channels that you actually watch.

    Everyone has to make their own value for money judgement but to me it’s just not worth It and I can easily live without those few encrypted channels and save a few bob!

    I think that more and more people are rapidly coming to the same conclusion as yourself, especially after Virgins inflation busting price increase (pretty sure Sky will be going up too).

    The current Freesat line up is actually better than what I was paying for when I first got satellite!
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    ds_readerds_reader Posts: 10,353
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    soulboy77 wrote: »
    If you think that generally over 90% of programmes that people watch on Sky are FTA channels (BARB data), then what you are really paying for are the few encrypted channels that you actually watch.

    Everyone has to make their own value for money judgement but to me it’s just not worth It and I can easily live without those few encrypted channels and save a few bob!

    That's interesting do you have link to that BARB data - the information available on the BARB website is now very limited!?!
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    RichardcoulterRichardcoulter Posts: 30,357
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    soulboy77 wrote: »
    If you think that generally over 90% of programmes that people watch on Sky are FTA channels (BARB data), then what you are really paying for are the few encrypted channels that you actually watch.

    Everyone has to make their own value for money judgement but to me it’s just not worth It and I can easily live without those few encrypted channels and save a few bob!

    Yup, Freeview even use this data in their advertising. Maybe Freesat should do too?
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    AntboxAntbox Posts: 4,681
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    edited 09/02/22 - 18:27 #19
    Freeview's claims are something like "95% of the nation's most popular shows" - which is really something of a sucker statistic because obviously the most-watched programmes will be the ones available in the most households, and if you then set the "most popular shows" barrier at something like, say, Top 20 or Top 50, then you easily ensure that you're magically talking about programmes which are all on the big five FTA channels. Because apparently EVERYONE, absolutely without exception, watches Strictly and EastEnders and Corrie and Emmerdale and Countryfile and Antiques Roadshow, right?

    But 95% of the "most popular" shows does not mean that over 90% of the programmes that Sky viewers watch are FTA. They watch lots of different programmes on lots of different channels. More channels, more choice. Helpfully this usually means that there's no one programme or channel which gets large enough ratings to really dent the monopoly of the big boys, but you can't hide the effect it has on share of viewing. Some time ago the BBC had figures which showed that their share of viewing in Sky homes was nearly half that which they enjoyed in FTA homes.

    People do tend to watch the extra channels that they're paying for. Any suggestion otherwise - a Freeview marketing invention - is, you could argue, a deliberate deception.
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    RichardcoulterRichardcoulter Posts: 30,357
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    The best thing to do is a channel audit. Note down the channels you watch and see which are free. If any aren't, could you happily do without the programming or make do with similar free programming? If not, are there any more cost effective ways of watching this programming?

    I suspect that the increasing cost of food, gas, electricity, petrol, over 10% increase in National Insurance etc will make the minds up for a lot of people.

    Most of my viewing is from the PSB's and for the rest I could happily make do with the FTA channels. If crappy Virgin ever stopped virtually giving away their TV service to me, i'd dump them like a shot and use Freesat & Freeview with streaming services if/as when required. I might consider Sky if they agreed to a decent deal, but would unlikely stay after the minimum term and would only be using them for a virtually free Freesat install.

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    The Unknown OneThe Unknown One Posts: 21,149
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    edited 10/02/22 - 10:52 #21
    It obviously depends if you are bothered by a particular channel or programme that you might not be able to receive, but consider this.

    On standard, non-introductory pricing, Sky's entry level package, which includes Netflix is £31/month.

    However if you were to take the following -

    - Netflix (basic) - £5.99
    - Disney+ - £7.99
    - Prime Video (video only) - £5.99
    - Now (entertainment) - £9.99

    - that would cost £30. So for £1 less, together with the FTA offer from Freesat/Freeview, its hard not to come to the conclusion you'd end up with access to a lot more content. Of course you could pick and choose which streaming services you subscribe to to reduce the cost further. Again, it depends what you are interested in watching. But if you are just after a broad range of content, put like that, Sky looks like really poor value for money.
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    RichardcoulterRichardcoulter Posts: 30,357
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    It obviously depends if you are bothered by a particular channel or programme that you might not be able to receive, but consider this.

    On standard, non-introductory pricing, Sky's entry level package, which includes Netflix is £31/month.

    However if you were to take the following -

    - Netflix (basic) - £5.99
    - Disney+ - £7.99
    - Prime Video (video only) - £5.99
    - Now (entertainment) - £9.99

    - that would cost £30. So for £1 less, together with the FTA offer from Freesat/Freeview, its hard not to come to the conclusion you'd end up with access to a lot more content. Of course you could pick and choose which streaming services you subscribe to to reduce the cost further. Again, it depends what you are interested in watching. But if you are just after a broad range of content, put like that, Sky looks like really poor value for money.

    When I looked at the Sky £31 package, it didn't even include Netflix. It was just comprised of the FTA & FTV channels!
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    ds_readerds_reader Posts: 10,353
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    edited 10/02/22 - 13:53 #23
    It obviously depends if you are bothered by a particular channel or programme that you might not be able to receive, but consider this.

    On standard, non-introductory pricing, Sky's entry level package, which includes Netflix is £31/month.

    However if you were to take the following -

    - Netflix (basic) - £5.99
    - Disney+ - £7.99
    - Prime Video (video only) - £5.99
    - Now (entertainment) - £9.99

    - that would cost £30. So for £1 less, together with the FTA offer from Freesat/Freeview, its hard not to come to the conclusion you'd end up with access to a lot more content. Of course you could pick and choose which streaming services you subscribe to to reduce the cost further. Again, it depends what you are interested in watching. But if you are just after a broad range of content, put like that, Sky looks like really poor value for money.

    In addition, switch in and of other services like Apple TV+ and Discovery+ for additional content options!?!

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    kempshottkempshott Posts: 1,883
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    The only thing we're missing so far are HD versions of some FTA channels. For example last week's Spurs v Brighton FA Cup match on ITV4 was unwatchable in SD.
    (At least there are "alternative sources" for football!).
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    RichardcoulterRichardcoulter Posts: 30,357
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    kempshott wrote: »
    The only thing we're missing so far are HD versions of some FTA channels. For example last week's Spurs v Brighton FA Cup match on ITV4 was unwatchable in SD.
    (At least there are "alternative sources" for football!).

    ITV4 HD is currently a pay channel, so won't be coming to Freesat until Sky/Virgin effectively stop paying them to encrypt.

    Are there any FTA HD channels that aren't on Freesat, either at all or in SD only? Wasn't there a news channel?
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    Gerry WicklowGerry Wicklow Posts: 632
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    CNN and CNBC come to mind. This is the full list of current FTA HD channels
    https://en.kingofsat.net/freqs.php?&pos=28.2E&standard=All&hdtv=1&ordre=freq&filtre=Clear
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