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Here we are again with yet another new link. Almost a year after putting out our first Norco link, we are now doing one for the Optic. As with all our links, this one makes the suspension more progressive, going from 17% up to 23%. It also increases travel by 5 mm, putting it at 130 mm even. What does this result it? The usual stuff. The suspension feels softer off the top and tracks over rougher terrain better then ramps up to deliver support as it gets into the latter half of its travel. Because this is a short travel bike that also needs to be able to pedal well, we made sure the link preserved the pedaling characteristics and didn’t turn it into a tank to pedal. Geometry also remains the same since that is one of the traits we enjoy the most about the Optic.
The Optic link is available in black and silver
So, if you’re trying to change up the suspension to help smooth out that chatter and don’t mind 5 mm more travel, this might just be the ticket. Or maybe you want that 5 mm of travel too. Now, we read enough of the comments to know what the usual responses are. Let me tell you something, installing a different link doesn’t mean you have the wrong bike any more than installing volume spacers would mean you have the wrong shock. It’s a tuning tool. It doesn’t make the Optic not an Optic anymore, it just makes it a different version of itself.
Specs and Details:• 130 mm of travel
• Progression increased to 23% compared to 17% with stock link
• Sealed Enduro MAX bearings
• CNC’d from 6061-T6 in the USA
• Colors: Black, silver
• Cost:
$332 USD.
So there you have it. If this seems like your jam we’ve got them.
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2. Cut to length of shock
3. Paint to frame color (optional)
4. Drill 2 holes
5. Impress friends w. new hardcore hardtail
I actually got a Magura Gustav here too. I've got the saddle to attach it to an 8"PM tab (Fox40, Magura Wotan etc) and run the 210mm rotor. But my hardtail just has a 7"PM tab. I'm going to try and see if it works with my 190mm brake rotor. Otherwise I'd have to find a 185mm brake rotor.
And indeed floating rotors are just the rotors. You can indeed have it all floating (brake, caliper and rotor) and feel proper high.
Cascade Components: Not progressive enough!
These things really work well!
So, at the beginning of the stroke where it used to move 3 mm for every mm of shock travel, now it moves 3.4 mm. As every point on the new line is higher than the old, this means the rear wheel moves more per mm over all of the shock stroke. Hence, the total travel used has increased.
To maintain travel, the lines would have to cross and balance each other out.
Although increasing the negative chamber size can in fact improve bottoming resistance, it doesn't do that in isolation.
As you increase the negative chamber size and the shock requires more air pressure to maintain the proper sag %, eventually all that air pressure results in your shock having way too much midrange support, to the point it essentially quits moving freely in that range.
That, imo, is why the manufacturers set up the suspension more on the linear side of the equation.
Honestly, they might not have tried this specific variation. Commencal is constantly tweaking their race bikes which shows up as "10% stiffness increase in certain area due to improved rider feedback".
Maybe they'll use this for version next. Could be many reasons for it.
Yes the Bronson has good anti-squat for pedaling but I still had constant pedal strikes because it would dip into the mid stroke when trying to go up and over things.. The real surprise with the custom tune was that with the added mid stroke support it would keep me in the top of the travel when making low speed moves like that. Both a custom tune and MegNeg will keep you from bottoming out but for myself at least the MegNeg just felt harsher the faster I tried to ride, whereas the custom tune feels better the faster I go. In the questionnaire I think I said 6.5/10 skill level and 8/10 firm (with 1 being comfort). When I first got the custom tune I was concerned that it was too stiff but am now riding faster than I ever have by a wide margin. It only cost about $200 (CAD) on top of a regular full shock service which should be done every year anyway and was a night and day improvement over the MegNeg. MegNeg is $100 so for me the real question is why wouldn't you want a custom damper tune and improved internals? You'd have to be crazy fast to not be able to get the support you need with a custom tune and the stock air can.
Cascade makes link for…. And for…… and for……etc etc
235 link
29 shipping
264USD total
42$ duty
Cad total just under 400
I emailed asking can you do it cheaper they said no . So ,,, no sale .
Most bike parts are exempt regardless of where they are made, with a few exceptions like frames, complete bikes and wheels (however if you got spokes, hubs and rims it wouldn’t apply).
Lots of them out here on the shore and I would love to boost my travel a bit and add some small bump sensitivity without costing me too much mid stroke support and bottom out resistance.
Cheers!
Not being critical, just trying to understand.
I'm cool with that
Hilarious I got a downvote for my original comment too. "How dare you take the Ibis out of Ibis".
I am sure Cascade helps. Everyone likes their products.
@mhoshal - eh is what it is...issue for me was that the bike just wants to go too fast for 130mm...Cliche I know but it was constantly over its head for me. The EWS guys are running the Druid with a Cascade link and 160mm fork and angleset...its very much an enduro bike with that setup.
Anyway, the CL increases leverage around that "knuckle" area I described, and decreases leverage in a very smooth curve towards the end stroke. So the wheel moves much more freely around that sag point, and I was able to reduce my volume spacers to 2, which allows the rebound stroke to remain more composed on bigger hits. I'd say that the only compromise was a very slight reduction in the old Ibis pedaling platform, which is fine for me, as I'm a pretty good climber, and prefer a bit of active travel for climbing tech. Bottom-outs are nice and smooth now, and I don't really notice when it happens.
Take note that the CL voids frame warranty though, so don't tell Ibis or your dealer that you're running that link.
As for warranty…. This conversation never happened….
I did so in my DPX2 shock and it made a huge difference to me.
My dpx2 came with the 0.6 volume spacer in the positive air chamber which works abolutely fine for me when riding in bikepark (with a little bit more psi than norco suggests). No harsh bottom outs with 80kg. I think one shouldn`t expect a trailbike with 125mm of travel to be a big taker but the rear end alredy has a good amount of progression and a really nice midstrokesupport!
What was interesting to me with the dpx2 was that it came with 2!! spacers in the negative air chamber. You have to press out the shock`s bolts to get to the negative air chamber, so I guess not many people take that step and even know, that the dpx2 comes with two negative spacers. The result of them is a pretty stiff shock on little hits, so I took one of them out making the rear end way more sensitive to little bumps and adding traction uphill.
This is exactly what the cascade link does without spending 400$.
For trail riding I even prefer the dpx2 with a smaller spacer (0.4) in the positive air chamber and a tad mor air pressure. Runs perfectly. No reason for me to spend 400$ on a really well made rear end.
well done @CascadeComponents, The new Norco Optic looks to be an excellent addition to my collection. Might be time for the V1 Sentinel to find a new home.
Sentinel currently has a cascade link installed, and I would say it was a very dramatic difference. Little over a year on the link and I'm still tinkering with the suspension setup. It was great, just coming back from some time off the bike and setting it up a bit softer. I'm always blown away with the softness off top, and the suport. Love their work.
Norco... " no warranty for you!"
@CascadeComponents any chance you could ship to Canada using US Postal? You’d probably get more sales that way - lots of us have been burned by UPS.
Happily!
You do realize that air pressure and linkage ratio practically cancel each other out. And the overal shape of the curves is identical for all intents and purposes - in the areas beyond the sag point anyways, where it matters. So, what you are getting effectively is a linkage that, for adjusted air pressures, exactly behaves like stock and, for normalized air pressures, makes the bike less supportive and go through its travel more easily. Also with the cascade linkage, the damper tune is wrong. Compression is too heavy and reboud is too light. Great success. Not an improvement in my books.
@mb23 & @chakaping for enduro and trail bikes, so far only some of the older YT stuff. The new Yeti E-bike in its more progressive setting looks pretty good too. There are plenty of DH bikes that have decent progression out of the box, but that's a slightly different world.