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Joe Rogan beat down of Gupta
Oct 15, 2021, 9:37 AM
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This is a great example of someone armed with pretty much only common sense making a mockery of everything about the left.
You can change the topic to be global warming, climate change, cancel culture, systemic racism, police brutality, socialism, communism, etc. and the result would be the same. In a 1-on-1 conversation the lefty will end up in the fetal position no matter who they are or how much of an expert they think they are.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/joe-rogan-cnn-sanjay-gupta-interview-buries-viral-moments
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I posted this yesterday
Oct 15, 2021, 9:41 AM
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when confronted with absolute lies, they don't know what to do without backup.
He got owned by podcaster.
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Re: Joe Rogan beat down of Gupta
Oct 15, 2021, 9:45 AM
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By what measurable did Rogan "beat him down"?
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Some people think the whole world is a UFC fight.***
Oct 15, 2021, 9:58 AM
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you seem triggered***
Oct 15, 2021, 10:01 AM
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You seem like...
Oct 15, 2021, 10:10 AM
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You put all your stock in the opinion of meatheads who you think compensate for a lack of manliness.
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i see you didnt watch the videos
Oct 15, 2021, 10:13 AM
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calm, cool and collected.
He's always mild mannered on his podcasts
Funny, you are more upset over a podcaster than CNN, who it supposed to be giving truths.
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I didn't. I don't need to.
Oct 15, 2021, 10:19 AM
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I've heard his podcasts.
He's still just a celebrity comedic meat puppet, and his voice should not be the one in the room when we are discussing serious matters in the world.
I already said CNN shouldn't have even bothered with it. They suck in a lot of areas, too. But unlike you, I don't see them as the gospel.
It's sad when someone looks to Joe Rogan for life advice.
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That “meathead” is smarter and
Oct 15, 2021, 12:57 PM
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more read than you will ever dream. It’s also a point to make that he has a couple milly in the bank as you continue to desk jockey your way through life.
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I'd say his wealth is fairly immaterial to his credibility.
Oct 15, 2021, 1:31 PM
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As we all know, a lot of very wealthy Hollywood stars say some incredibly ignorant things on the regular.
I don't watch/listen to Joe Rogan regularly. Honestly, I never would have guessed that he could have transitioned into a career as a serious interviewer/podcaster. The few times I've heard him, I will say that he takes it seriously and puts some energy into his interviews. So, that's commendable. And I think he's gotten better at it. In the clips I saw here (specific ones that I think were designed to show his "beat down" of Gupta) he was strong in his ability to NOT let his guest squirm out or avoid a direct question. Honestly, it's pretty surprising that Sanje Gupta (sp?) can be thrown at all by a college dropout.
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college dropout, meathead, pot head
Oct 15, 2021, 1:41 PM
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all words to just demean his character and make him look foolish and childish. That isnt the case at all....while you also note that you rarely listen to him, but give us feedback on him and his program.
Tells us what we need to know.
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Ha ha. Well, my intent was to demean Gupta, soooo...
Oct 15, 2021, 2:11 PM
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Here's the framework that I'm working on: On the average, a NEUROSURGEON and "Chief Medical Reporter" for a major worldwide cable news network who has been in the media business for decades should not be stammering when a guy who dropped out of college because he thought it was pointless...quit martial arts for fear that he might be having brain damage...and then had a successful career being funny...asks a few direct questions. It is just surprising to me that he would not be able to handle that interview (which, to be fair, I've read on this board that the overall interview was cordial...just those couple times when he stammered that I saw).
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Got a little man crush, huh?
Oct 15, 2021, 2:40 PM
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What is it about rightie extremists getting bent out of shape when you poke fun at their idols?
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Oh yeah?
Oct 15, 2021, 2:39 PM
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I mean, he's a college dropout, but I'm sure it was the college's fault.
Yep, he's got a lot more money than me. As I said, he's a great comedian and found a niche doing that UFC thing.
Sorry I peed on one of your heroes, you big nancy. Go threaten another coach at a little league game. Or, rather, lie about doing it and write about it here to pretend you're a billy bad ### and not the string bean we've seen in pictures.
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This highlights some of the problems with many Americans
Oct 15, 2021, 9:52 AM
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They put their stock in loud meatheads like Rogan. In fact, I blame CNN for even giving him the platform.
On one hand, y'all will whine and cry about "liberal" celebrities getting attention and how their opinions don't matter, then you throw your weight behind Rogan or other celebrity clowns who are just the same.
That's all he is. No, he's not some enlightening podcast guru. No, he's not.
He was funny on News Radio. His stand-up is funny. Sometimes he's entertaining on UFC fights even though he's a billy bad ###. But that's it.
He's just a loud celebrity. That's all. But some reason y'all think he's gospel, and CNN, for some reason, gave him another stage to shout on.
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JRDS....***
Oct 15, 2021, 10:12 AM
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You think I'm defending CNN?
Oct 15, 2021, 10:20 AM
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Not at all. I already know CNN spins like a ####... which is ironic that Fox has the audacity to claim it as they do as well. Maybe even worse.
My point is Joe Rogan doesn't need to be the person so many here and in America look to for guidance. Enjoy him at a UFC fight. That's it.
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No, they didn't spin. They LIED. Flat out lied
Oct 15, 2021, 10:26 AM
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That is why many no longer believe anything the "experts" say regarding covid, there has been so much lying in the media and elsewhere you'd be a fool to take any of the popular narratives at face value.
His podcast is actually pretty good, he has fairly ideological diverse guests and has some great conversations. Enjoyable to listen to on long rides, you're discounting something you've never listened to. I don't think most people are looking to him for guidance, they are listening to him for honest debate/conversation.
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So I shouldn't trust the media...
Oct 15, 2021, 10:27 AM
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But I should trust Joe Rogan?
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do you trust Fox News?***
Oct 15, 2021, 10:28 AM
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If it's straight up reporting on breaking news, yes.***
Oct 15, 2021, 10:39 AM
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Nobody is asking you to trust him, not even him
Oct 15, 2021, 10:29 AM
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But in this case, what he's saying is demonstrably true. CNN flat out lied about him taking horse dewormer.
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and to his point, they knew they were lying and did it
Oct 15, 2021, 10:32 AM
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anyway.
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And then doubled down on it afterward***
Oct 15, 2021, 10:38 AM
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Good think we've got an army of fact checkers to straighten
Oct 15, 2021, 10:41 AM
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them out lol
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just to take a step back here
Oct 15, 2021, 11:53 AM
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and - quick comment - I agree with the theme of your post.
But who can Americans looks to for guidance right now? There's a vacuum of logical, apolitical thinking (not saying Rogan is this). There's a huge void of common place to have open debate without it spewing into some partisan ########.
Joe Rogan is more of a symptom than a problem. Same with Trump.
I don't listen to podcasts - didn't listen to this (so maybe I'm way off base here) - but if someone has a logical argument we slam them b/c they should be commentating a UFC fight?
I hate Bill Mahr, but he's said some stuff I agree with. ####, Xiden has even said some stuff I agree with - I've even posted it here I think.
At a high level, if someone has a platform to call out our state sponsored media (Russell Brand has even done this on his channel I think - and he's a whack job lol), why don't we support them? The media is a huge ####### problem right now.
And maybe your post isn't directed at me or this train of thought. I'm not subscribing to the Joe Rogan Lifestyle Club now b/c he has sick hot takes on there on the tweeter getting all the ants riled up.
Maybe I'll have some time today to listen to this and see if my ######## soliloquy here still holds water.
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Re: just to take a step back here
Oct 15, 2021, 12:37 PM
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You get the point.
Oct 15, 2021, 2:42 PM
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You're absolutely right. Joe Rogan isn't the problem. He's the symptom, which was the point of my post. Small-minded people idolize people like Joe Rogan. I don't fault that man at all for building an audience.
I'm not trying to diminish Rogan having opinions like the rest of us. It's the fact that he isn't qualified to be viewed with this strange right-wing fascination as a guiding light. Look at people in this thread getting upset for even criticizing him.
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Nobody is upset you’re criticizing him, it’s the fact that
Oct 15, 2021, 3:00 PM
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You’re totally ignoring the entire point.
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No, some of them are.
Oct 15, 2021, 3:03 PM
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X and Manac especially.
I get Rogan's point. I'm not disagreeing with his points. I'm not super shocked CNN did what they did. I'm actually irritated CNN fell all over themselves to make an issue about Gupta's interview.
My point is this weird worship of guys like Rogan from folks on the far right. NC's post harping about it being a "beatdown". No, it wasn't.
Life isn't a UFC fight. Sometimes people have discussions and disagree.
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shhh, he didnt watch it. He called him loud mouth, lol
Oct 15, 2021, 10:21 AM
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if you ever listen to him, he is anything but loud mouth.
It actually seems like he talks in an overly softened tone on his podcasts imo 99% of the time.
I think I saw once where he said he does that on purpose.
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XTiger: "I don't believe anything the fake media tells me!!"
Oct 15, 2021, 10:25 AM
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Also XTiger: "Dude, did you hear what Joe Rogan said? I believe anything this loud comedian/UFC guy says because he comforts me and makes me feel more like a man. Like Donald Trump did."
Again, pretty sad for any grown man who has to turn to Joe Rogan to find their vision of the world
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Re: XTiger: "I don't believe anything the fake media tells me!!"
Oct 15, 2021, 11:57 AM
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Also XTiger: "Dude, did you hear what Joe Rogan said? I believe anything this loud comedian/UFC guy says because he comforts me and makes me feel more like a man. Like Donald Trump did."
Again, pretty sad for any grown man who has to turn to Joe Rogan to find their vision of the world
I see you are trolling again by making up BS and stating as fact. You are so incredibly dramatic.
What did xtiger say that made you think, " he believes anything this loud comedian/UFC guy says because he comforts him and makes him feel more like a man." Or xtiger, turns to joe Rogan to "Finds their vision of the world"?
This is why it's impossible to have a conversation/debate with you. You turn into a dramatic jack a$$ that makes things up, and can't have a rational conversation.
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I just watched a few snippets of it, and Rogan did talk down
Oct 15, 2021, 10:25 AM
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and over Gupta, and just kept repeating "you lied you lied".
Which seemed pretty heavy handed. In a shouting match, I don't think Gupta has a chance.
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Re: He's pointing out that CNN quite literally lied about him
Oct 15, 2021, 10:56 AM
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Re: He's pointing out that CNN quite literally lied about him
Oct 15, 2021, 11:04 AM
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The OP is claiming Gupta got "beat down" by Rogan and you're saying he disagreed with CNN. LOL. Once again, what was the "beat down"?
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I never said it was a 'beat down'.
Oct 15, 2021, 11:10 AM
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Kind of a pathetic attempt to detract from the original point IMO.
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Re: I never said it was a 'beat down'.
Oct 15, 2021, 11:57 AM
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Lol, you responded directly to my question about the "beat down". YOU chose to interject yourself. Sorry, but those are the facts.
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All I did was post a Kenny Powers gif
Oct 15, 2021, 12:12 PM
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THOSE ARE THE FACTS LOL!!!
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Re: All I did was post a Kenny Powers gif
Oct 15, 2021, 2:57 PM
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You should ignore my mean tweets if they are offensive to you.
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Not exactly.
Oct 15, 2021, 3:24 PM
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They shouldn't have used the language "horse dewormer" because Rogan didn't walk into a tractor supply store and buy the horse deworming gel that others were doing. BUT, ivermectin is unproven and unapproved to take for COVID and Rogan did say he was taking it. And Ivermectin is the drug found in the horse dewormer that some people were taking. Rogan should not have been seen endorsing an unapproved drug when he is trying to argue against taking a provenly safe vaccine. I think we can all agree on that aspect.
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It absolutely is and I make no apologies for it.
Oct 15, 2021, 10:26 AM
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I didn't say he was wrong. I don't care if he's right. I'm sure he is right that CNN spun it. I'm saying it's absurd that a segment of Americans have turned to this guy to somehow be a serious voice in the room.
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How do you differentiate him from Jon Stewart, Stephen
Oct 15, 2021, 11:37 AM
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Colbert, John Oliver, Jimmy Kimmel, Bill Maher? All comedians-turned-social commentators (maybe not Kimmel...but kind of).
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I don't at all.
Oct 15, 2021, 3:04 PM
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The same holds if anyone thinks those guys are the guiding light as well.
Hell, even Stewart has said himself that people shouldn't be looking to him as their end all be all for information and news.
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Yes but wouldn't you also acknowledge that all, or at least
Oct 15, 2021, 3:18 PM
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most of those comedians-turned-social commentators have contributed something substantive to social discussions? I disagree with the politics of most of them, but would never argue that Jon Stewart's opinion isn't worth considering. I know Tigerbalm1® thinks Bill Maher is just adjusting his schtick because of new corporate ownership, but I tend to think of it (biasedly, of course) of more of a "Only Nixon could have gone to China" situation. Democrats need to hear a devout Liberal saying "Guys...enough" in an impactful way.
Anyway, yes, no one should be putting Joe Rogan on a pedestal, but I also think he deserves due credit for what he and his podcast bring to the discussion.
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Re: Yes but wouldn't you also acknowledge that all, or at least
Oct 15, 2021, 3:23 PM
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Not sure I would count Kimmel in those ranks, but I see your point. But it's a little on a case by case basis. Maher has kind of made that his only schtick. Stewart's whole premise revolved around news commentary and some people took it too far as considering it a legit source.
I don't fault Rogan for building an audience. I admire his ability to do that. But that doesn't change where he stands on the scale of what to take seriously, and if you listen to his comedy, I think he'd even agree.
But your last line goes to the crux of my point, and maybe I didn't elicit it well enough due to the butthurt some other people have shown in this thread. Rogan has been elevated too high. Now, I'm down as hell with all the CNN criticism. They've earned it.
But you want to talk about a more trusted source? It's CNN. Put aside the likes of Cooper and Lemon and all the other talking heads. I'm talking about just straight up news reporting. Actual breaking stuff with reporters on the scene. They have the training and ability to cover more information and get it to the public.
Does that get garbled by some of these talking heads? You bet. But listing Joe Rogan as more trusted source for information is no different than me pointing at a random neighbor on my street and telling you to trust him, too. I have lots of Joe Rogans in my hood and they're fun. They're just not celebrities.
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I'm not claiming he's wrong and CNN is right
Oct 15, 2021, 10:38 AM
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My criticism is more of the people who think Joe Rogan is someone whose guidance you should look to.
And this was plastered all over CNN's front page yesterday so I'd say they gave him a platform.
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It's CNN's attempt to deride him... They obviously give him
Oct 15, 2021, 10:44 AM
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more weight than you do. You're too worried about persona rather than consideration of substance... Ad hominem is easy.
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They probably do give him more weight
Oct 15, 2021, 2:54 PM
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Probably because they know he's become some kind of weird right-wing sacred cow even though Rogan isn't right wing.
A lot of y'all are missing the point of my post. It's mainly criticism of people who, for some strange reason, look to people like Rogan for guidance. Not really a criticism of Rogan himself.
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I missed any beat down.***
Oct 15, 2021, 10:52 AM
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I only saw some short clips. I wouldn't call it a beat down.
Oct 15, 2021, 10:54 AM
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Rogan said he didn't feel he needed a vaccine since he had already had Covid and thus natural antibodies... I've had the vaccine since eligible but I would have to agree with Rogan... The whole point of vaccines is to stimulate the body into producing antibodies.
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Again, some people only see the world as a political UFC***
Oct 15, 2021, 10:57 AM
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So now we're talking about CNN producers...?***
Oct 15, 2021, 11:00 AM
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Re: I only saw some short clips. I wouldn't call it a beat down.
Oct 15, 2021, 11:04 AM
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Actually they say people who initially have COVID and then get vaxxed are by far the most resistant to further infection and serious cases requiring hospitalization.
And no, it still ain't 100%, especially with Delta, but everybody seems to agree it's by a mile the best combo.
I'll be adding a booster as soon as they let me. I had long COVID and it effed me up righteously, I don't want it again.
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Key phrase... "They say"... They've said a lot of things.***
Oct 15, 2021, 11:40 AM
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Re: Joe Rogan beat down of Gupta
Oct 15, 2021, 11:28 AM
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I heard the entire thing. I thought it was very cordial and seemed more like Joe Rogan was educated. That was a great discussion though and Joe came away more open minded. It was a positive discussion with much respect going both ways.
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The parts I saw, I'd agree.***
Oct 15, 2021, 11:41 AM
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Yessir. Two people with opposing viewpoints
Oct 15, 2021, 12:25 PM
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should be able to sit down and have a fairly cordial discussion - which Rogan and Gupta did.
But then - people feel the need to decide who "won" the argument or discussion. Hopefully, they each walked away with at least a little more respect for the other's point-of-view.
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From Joe Rogan's IG page
Oct 15, 2021, 12:45 PM
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relevant to this thread...
If you've only seen clips online you would think that drsanjaygupta and I had a tense and uncomfortable encounter when we sat down for 3 hours. The reality is that disagreement was a very small part of what was overall a very enjoyable conversation. Sanjay is a really nice person and I like him a lot. After our time together I consider him a friend. People on network TV don't have anything remotely similar to the kind of freedom I enjoy doin the podcast. For him to dive into my world and have an open form conversation with no restrictions took real courage, and I appreciate it very much.
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Only heard the first 20 minutes or so, but
Oct 15, 2021, 2:08 PM
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there's no beatdown of Gupta as yet. I like Joe Rogan and listen to his podcast quite a bit, and he's very reasonable. In this conversation with Gupta I'm not hearing any beatdown, but I did hear Rogan completely miss a point. They were talking about, I forget the term, it's an enlargement of the heart that is a very very rare result of the vaccine. Gupta pointed out that it's also a very very rare result of Covid, but it's much more likely to be caused by Covid than the vaccine.
Rogan heard this, understood it, but then a moment later was back to being concerned about it being caused by the vaccine. As if he just didn't get the point.
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I'd like to apologize to X, NC, and Manac
Oct 15, 2021, 2:46 PM
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I peed on their sacred cow and mancrush, and didn't realize he means so much to them by making them feel like men. I'm sorry I stepped onto sacred ground by daring to lob criticism. If not for Joe Rogan, Manac wouldn't have the courage to threaten the lives of flag football coaches.
I forgot how Joe Rogan will lead us into the promise land, and he is not subject to any criticism. I will repent tonight by watching the entire News Radio series. Maura Tierney back then... yes.
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Re: I'd like to apologize to X, NC, and Manac
Oct 15, 2021, 3:00 PM
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You got to stop that mean tweeting. Trumpkins find it unprofessional and rude.
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